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I am surprised that while on entry Mr. Raisuddin has started showing intolerance to everyone whosoever is disagreeing with him. Should he not pause for a moment and think that democarcy means to express ones own thinking and ideas and which may not be to the likings of the opposer. But Sir, does that demand showing red eyes ? No surely not. Actually for people who thinks they are always right are a problem as nothing could be discussed with them in Peace and understanding.
I do not want go into details about the whole discussion again but be it known that no sane Bangladesh oriented literates shall ever accept any arguments that Robi babu was for both Bangla. He was always for the Akhond bharat and for West bangals. In the truest sense he enjoyed the honey of the East thru his jamindary and wrote agaist the people who gave the food for thought.
Sometimes criminal(kuchokri) Atel's of our country tries to defame and dishonour Nazrul while being zealous at his universal acceptance in both Bangla and they use the same words as Mr. Raisuddin used quote" Bangladesh showed proper honor to Nazrul by shifting him from the slums of Kolkata and awarding him the citizenship" Unquote.
This is another way to insult to the greatest of the poets and literatuer of the Sub-continent who for conspiracies by the Hindu atel's could not reach the height as he deserved. From his becoming famous and adored charismatic poet the hindus were out to destroy him by bad vices of them like "W W" to ruin him and he was trapped by that.
On the otherhand Bangladeshis never disrespected (for and except by Dhikrito Ayub/Monem chokro in sixties.) Rabindranath Thakur in any way. Many of of his writings has been included in the carriculam and his birth/death days are celebrated with much enthuciasm and fervour.Our both print and electronic media telecast for days his achievements and mela are organised here and there.
I think even in the home Bangla (west) of Robi Babu it is not observed the way East Bangals does !!!!
But in the case the enthucism of those Atel's is questionable as they term him as "KHONDITO NAZRUL".
So, with due respect to Mr. Raisuddin I wish to draw his attention again to the fact that Bangaladeshi are no more subservient das of anybody and they have independent potaka (not like west Banglas 90% hindi dominated) and deserve the right top change their national anthem to suit the hope and aspiration of the people at large not of any Gusti in particular. Why Mr. Raisuddin is upset if the poepular vote is for the change ?
Please let all of us keep ourselves free from any complex or emmotion since it is our country and our nation and literature and our culture matters. We ahould be proud that neither urdui or hindi is devouringh us in the oblivion. we have a very distinguish culture,literature and freedom to express in our own language(which the dada's do not have ).
Let us join in the queue to take Bangladesh forward getting rid of the black teeth quislings who wants us to be subjugated not only politically but also culturally.
Faruque Alamgir
Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.
In front of moha pondit like you I am definitely a stupid and insane. Lot of these bishho pondits are continuously working against the Bangalis, Bangladseh, Bangla language, and anyone who do not like their rotten agenda of dividing everyone from every corner. I am watching postings from this guy for long time. I did not say him directly anything. I just gave my opinion. Can't I do it in the public space? He started calling my name over and over, as did here. I am also a person with blood and flesh. Not a superhuman. So, one day I got upset and addressed him as pondit. From that little thing he ket errupting so much that is really despicable. My idea is mine and his idea is his. Why he personally attack?
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups. com
From: s_ayubi786@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:05:12 -0700
Subject: RE: [notun_bangladesh] Now they want to accuse us as Communal
Raisuddin is a true nitwit having very poor understnading of the ground realities of Bengal and Bangladesh. His arguements are as stupid as he is. How did he say that Bengals will unite. What made him say that? Isn't he insane?
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Mon, 5/19/08, Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [notun_bangladesh] Now they want to accuse us as Communal
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 1:03 AM
Mr Raisuddin Ahmedyou have made some observations, which cannot be backed by historical evidence. I took the liberty to point those out, which I beleive that you would take it positively.1 " So, anyone who championed in Bangla is unquestionably always a champion to us."Sorry I coudnot agree with you because, radical fanatics, racists and the haters of then East Bengal majority, couldnot earn respect for their biased views. For example, Bonkim.
2. " Bangalis are one nation."Is it realy? How? Except for the alphabets, there are extremely nothing common among us, be it be attire, food, dialect, attitude, or politics. Because of this huge difference Bangladeshi' s 1st supported the divission of Bengal and later decided to join with Pakistan. Similary for the same reason, the West Bengal majority opposed the divission ofBangla1st, and later overwelmingly voted to merge with India.2. " Physical reasons may have kept them separate. But the obvious situations will put them together some day in future. "And what situation will put them together Mr Raisuddin? IsWest Bengal is going to secede from India, or Bangladesh is going forfeit her freedom to join India to form a unified Bengal? 3. " .......who do not have at all any regards for Bangladesh, its creed, code, and the basics of why and how Bangladesh was created "Do you mind sharing your version of Bangladesh's creed, code and basics? And how did it conflicted with my statement?4. " History: Robindranath did most of his works in kutibari that belongs to Bangladesh. He spent most of his life there, even though his zamindari was in Jurashku, West Bengal. All his works on the nature are based on what Bangladesh looks like. West Bengal does not look like similar to what he felt and expressed in his poems and other works. "Very interesting indeed ! Because after going through many books I couldnot find any proof of such statement. Mr Raisuddin, please share the source of your comments above, so we can enrich our knowledge too as well.Please note that, the introduction of Nazrul is out of the context. But as you have mentioned it, the people of Bangladesh showed proper honor to Nazrul by shifting him from the slums of Kolkata and awarding him the citizenship.5. " On the contrary, after partition of India and Pakistan, we were very generous to accept a huge number non-bengalis to our country. What they did finally? They never had allegiance to our land, to our language, and to our creed and culture. They were always opportunist. And at the end backed up the killer Pakistanis and they did the most killing. They did not stop there. Some of them learned Bangla or married Bangalee, posed to be converted as Bangalee but working in the underground with ISI, Saudis, and other agents and poisoning the society in Bangladesh. Some of them with old root even working for RAW. So, there are reasons why we must be careful such that these flock of mice can not cut everything of our home day in and day out. "I sincerely thank you Mr Raisuddin for the statement above. You have rightfully pointed out the presence of the mice who are cutting everything. There are quite a few of those, who are active in subverse activities against Bangladesh, namely Dr Kamal Hossain, Hassan Imam, Hossain Md Ershad etc.It is noble to call a spade as spade, but not so to call a spade a clubs.Musfique.
Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail. com> wrote:"You do not understand the history of this country". When you said so, Ayubi Pondit Shaheb, you closed the issue. Just tell me why did you write then the rest of the things in your passage? For bishho pondity, needs the audience, who want to see the substance and rationanle. I do see your postings here and there everywhere - and you do always vor vor, may you know or not. It has clearly been noticed that always you attempt to spread hate and vulgarity, short of any expressions of compassion, love or feelings. That's what the world poets do. Definitely not someone like you. You are of your a kind. Why don't you stay within your periphery! If you want to do bishho pondity, you should be able to understand the others and to learn how to talk with the others. Then you will understand where the folks such as a poor guy like me come from. Until then, its up to you, to decide on your role. Most of your postings are really disgusted, but I would never tell you anything any time. But this time you have hurt me personally, so badly in the public arena, that I had no other option, then to tell you couple of words. Extremely sorry about it.
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
From: s_ayubi786@yahoo. com
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:01:10 -0700
Subject: RE: [notun_bangladesh] Now they want to accuse us as Communal
You do not understand the history of this country. Can you explain as to why the caste hindus opposed the partition of bengal tooth and nail in 1905 which prompted tagore to write our national anthem but in 1947 they meekly accepted the partition of bengal, they did not even consider the option of an independent Bengal that suhrwardy and sarat Bose tried to establish. The caste hindus has always been slefish and they have oppressed the backward Muslims of Bengal. Those sad stories probably you do not know or no one possilbly told you. I do not agree with you that the bengalis are one nation and they will ever unite. viva la difference!! !!!
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail. com> wrote:
From: Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [notun_bangladesh] Now they want to accuse us as Communal
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 10:04 PM
Anyone with the commitment as shown in the red below can not deviate from the principle of greatest lover of our mother and father land and also our birthplace. Anyone who does not possess these vested qualities may have different opinions. Certainly we value Bangla as the most sacred language since the genes of us and all our previous ancestors have been created out of Bangla. So, anyone who championed in Bangla is unquestionably always a champion to us. Please do not do something that becomes detrimental to this principle. So, Tagore and Nazrul can not be marked as just West Bengalis. They are Bangalis and our most champions in the Bangali nation. Bangalis are one nation. Physical reasons may have kept them separate. But the obvious situations will put them together some day in future. There was a politically incorrect staunch in the following write up. I REALLY DO NOT APPRECIATE IT.
However, I understand where the angle settles finally. We may keep talking on these issues as long as we are honest and have no hidden agenda.
History: Robindranath did most of his works in kutibari that belongs to Bangladesh. He spent most of his life there, even though his zamindari was in Jurashku, West Bengal. All his works on the nature are based on what Bangladesh looks like. West Bengal does not look like similar to what he felt and expressed in his poems and other works.. If it was today, he would be Bangladeshi. Nazrul was born in West Bengal but was raised in Trishal, Mymensingh by a Police Officer. He married in Comilla. Finally settled in Dhaka and died in Bangladesh ans also buried here.. So, please stop assigning them as a foreigner to Bangladesh.. On the contrary, after partition of India and Pakistan, we were very generous to accept a huge number non-bengalis to our country. What they did finally? They never had allegiance to our land, to our language, and to our creed and culture. They were always opportunist. And at the end backed up the killer Pakistanis and they did the most killing. They did not stop there. Some of them learned Bangla or married Bangalee, posed to be converted as Bangalee but working in the underground with ISI, Saudis, and other agents and poisoning the society in Bangladesh. Some of them with old root even working for RAW. So, there are reasons why we must be careful such that these flock of mice can not cut everything of our home day in and day out.
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
From: chena_kew@yahoo. com
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:56:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Now they want to accuse us as Communal
Dear Ayubi Bhai and Mahathir Bhaithank you both for your valuable comments on the issue of the demand to change the national anthem. After the article about Robindornath' s role and the demand to remove his song as our national anthem, have been published, there have been quite a few dismayed reaction came to me. Both in the form of email and phone call.The zist of all these ignorant reactions are, we as a group of people in disguise of patriotism are promoting " communilasim" . I have already asked these people to get rid of their xenophobic attitude first if they want a meanifull discussion with me.These people should know that, gone are those days, where their communal minded biased anti Bangladesh existance, dominated without debate or question. It should be noted that, these people doesnot see communilasim when a tiny group of people formed Hindu-Boudhdho- Khristan Oiykko Porishod. But they find it communaly motivated gesture, when Robindronath' s role in numerous political event is questioned.Sorry guys ! People of Bangladesh are not ready to accept the false propaganda any more, which depicts Robindronath as a "God" and a saint, and West Bengal culture as our own.Even the new comer Mr Raisuddin, who because of his ignorance and arrogance have turned down some very legitimate questions by myself and Mr Salauddin Ayubi, had tried to compare us with Pakistanis !But I definitely agree with his comment as mentioned below:" It is the sacred duty of all Bangladesh lovers to protect the basic values, images, appeals, national feelings, existence, creed, culture, citizenship, history, language, and the legacy of freedom that our fighters fought to achieve Bangladesh to establish a booming free landmark country of the world. We all must remain vigilant against all who are engaged to defame and destroy our salient identities."What Mr Raisuddin have failed to fathom is our effort to do exactly the same. People who deem West Bengal culture as our own, certainly live in a weird world of fantasy, let alone a patriotic gesture.People who know history are very conscious about Bangladesh's own basic value, images, national feelings, existance, creed, culture, citizenship, langauge and the legacy of our freedom struggle. And that is the reason behind a group of patriots are now questioning the authority of a micro sized people, who so far have misguided us in both our cultural and political arena.The anti Bangladesh evil cults should be ready to accept the reality of the emerging of the independant minded Bangladeshi patriots. Who beleive Bangladesh First. And our martyrs would have wanted nothing less than that.The independant minded patriotic Bangladeshi writers should be aware of the trap, set by the anti Bangladesh propaganda machine to falsely portray the patriotic demands as communaly motivated.Musfique.
Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:
--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo. com> wrote:From: Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo. com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Demand to change the national anthem. Is it justified?
To: "notun Bangladesh" <notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com>, banglarnari@ yahoogroups. com, "Biplob Kuddus" <vinnomot@yahoogroup s.com>, "dahuk dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 11:27 AM
A debate about the demand to change the national anthem. Let the views decide.Musfique.
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