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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: [Dahuk]: Demand of the war crimes: controversial?

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On 3/28/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Prodhan,
I would not like to go to any detail but
would like to merely state that personally i also want
the war creiminals to be tried and punished as per the
law of the land. but the present call for the trial of
the war criminals are politically motivated. Such
issues are raised by any of the hangers on of BAL
before every election to help them get votes. Once the
election is over the entire episode is dumped in cold
staorege to be dug out during the next election. It
has been going on for ages. If they really wanted
trial of the criminals they would have long been tried
and punished. As that did not happen I feel that my
assumpsion must be correct.
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- Musfique Prodhan <chena_kew@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I admit I misjudged the leaders of the sector
> commanders forum. Though I am not going to backup an
> inch to the demand of apprehending the criminals to
> justice who had colaborated with the Pakistani army
> in genocide, rape and looting. My stand would be the
> same for any personal(s) whose loyality resides
> outside Bangladesh and who have engaged in anti
> people anti Bangladesh activities.
>
> But I have my own reservations about the
> leadership, who currently have been engaged in such
> demand. After going through the background of the
> leaders ( Maj Gen Shafiullah, Air Vice Marshall A K
> Khandakar, Maj Gen C R Dutta) with their accomplices
> Shahriar Kabir, Nirmalendu Goon etc, I came to an
> conclusion that such demand doesnot suit them.
>
> It was Shafiullah, who was the Army chief, when
> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was killed in an army coup. Mr
> Shafiullah was also an elected MP during Awami
> Leages 2nd tenure in the Govt ( 1996-2001).
>
> A K Khandakar was the chief of airforce. Both Mr
> Shafiullah and Khandakar of them went to BongoBhobon
> and had expressed their allegiance to then Mustaq
> Govt.
>
> Maj Gen C R Dutta was one of the founder of a
> radical anti Bangladesh party, called " Hindu
> Boudhdho Kristan Oykko Porishod" who have seriously
> engaged creating religious divisions among
> Bangladesh's and producing fake/distorted stories of
> so called minority oppression to tarnish
> Bangladesh's image abroad. They are beleived to be
> also associated with Swadin Bangabhumi Andolon; a
> tool of proxy war against Bangladesh by India.
>
> There is no secret about Shahriar Kabir's
> involvement with the Indian govt, and Nirmalendu
> Goon's association with the notorious ( now rejected
> by all) Taslima Nasreen.
>
> All the above personals have one thing in common.
> Their involvement with with pro Indian Awami Leage
> who enjoys only 60s seat in the parliament (
> according to the last election). Similar perosnals
> were engaged in the same activities (Ghatok Dalal
> Nirmul Commitee) before the 1996 elections, to
> blackmail Jamat into supporting Awami Leage. No
> wonder, the activities of GhaDaNiC came to an
> complete hault after Awami leage was elected to the
> Govt in 1996.
>
> So there is enough reason to doubt the intentions
> of this few well marked personal demands to try the
> collaborators of the war criminals.
>
> There are some very good remarks on this issue in
> the live debate.. So may I request the readers to
> watch it (link below).
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
> Musfique.
>
> Part 1
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGg71r73jU
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> Part 2
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sBMMZAgW4
>
> Part 3
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxyDaMFtyu0
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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] New Era

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On 3/28/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good luck and best wishes to Pakistan to their fresh
journey in the path to democracy.
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- Muhammad Javed Iqbal <javediqbalkaleem@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> People of Pakistan took a sigh of relief when
> the newly elected
> Prime Minister, Mr. Yousuf Raza Gilani, immediately
> after his
> election, passed order for immediate release of
> honourable Judges of
> Supreme Court of Pakistan. These Judges, including
> Chief Justice,
> Iftikhar Muhamad Chaudhry were confined in their own
> homes since Nov
> 3, 2007.
>
> The reaction of president Musharraf could
> not be known
> immediately. But daily "Dawn" has reported that
> important postings and
> transfers have been made in the high command of
> Pakistan Army and core
> commanders of Mangla and Lahore have been
> re-located. This is a clear
> indication that commanders loyal to Musharraf are
> now giving way to
> those appointed by his successor, General Pervaiz
> Kayani. It appears
> the beginning of end of Musharraf Era.
>
>
> So a black era has come to an end, at long
> last. But there
> is a bad news also. Some American officials have
> arrived in Islamabad
> to seek new government's assistance in so called war
> of terror. This
> will be the real test of the elected government, to
> refuse once for
> all, the forced labor of killing our own citizens
> for furthering
> American interests in Afghanistan. We should say
> 'NO' from day one and
> should not fall in the trap of Americans.
>
> It was annoying to see the proceedings of
> oath taking of
> Prime Minister in English as if colonial role has
> not yet ended. May
> Allah show us the day when oath ceremony takes place
> in Urdu and a
> true Pakistani Muslim, becomes Pakistan's prime
> minister.
>
> Although Mr. Gilani belongs to the family
> of a well known
> Muslim saint, but many such saint families joined
> hand with the
> British when war of independence started in 1857.
> Allamah Iqbal has
> therefore called Muslims of subcontinent as victims
> of Piri and Sultani:
>
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> " Baaqi nah rahi teri woh aainah
> zamiri
> Aai kushtae sultani wo mullai wa
> peri "
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> Javed Iqbal Kaleem
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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Demand for a "new Bangla" in Kolkata

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On 3/27/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

What game are they upto this time?
Ayubi
--- Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Demand for a "new Bangla" in Kolkata
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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: Is democracy a natural state of mankind ?

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On 3/27/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

The great autocrat of Germany Hitler was
democratically elected Chancellor of Germany. So is
Herr. Bush(Chenny). At times democracy can be very
much worse that the worst autocrat. So democracy is no
solution to any problem.
Salahuddin Ayubi

--- MIKEGHOUSE@aol.com wrote:

> It is an interesting difference between the
> Jefforsonian and Hamiltonian
> idea of democracy. We have to study how George Bush
> and his likes made it? How
> did our nation went from a great democracy to
> almost a fascist system, thank
> God, November 2006 elections changed it.
>
> The rise of fascism in democracies was a
> simaltaneous happening; Did Bush
> (really Cheney) gave the virus to Blair, Sharon and
> Vajpayee (Really Advani)?
> The fall has been in the reverse order and we have
> the last one to go this
> fall. I pray to dear God, McCain does not make it,
> even if he were, he may not
> have the partners around the globe to buy his
> destructive ideas.
>
> How can President Bush and McCain not get it? The
> President keeps parrotting
> Al-Qaeda and Iraq, 9/11 and Iraq, WMD... he just
> does not get in his head,
> but keeps repeating it, the journalist don't stop
> him either. McCain had to be
> corrected on AlQaeda to Extremists, he wants to bomb
> when Iran had stopped
> the nuclear program several years ago. Is there a
> way to clean their heads?
> Both of them get elected only by frightening us, and
> the solutions they offer
> are even more frightening.
>
> Mike Ghouse
> _http://MikeGhouseforAmerica.blogspot.com_
> (http://MikeGhouseforAmerica.blogspot.com)
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>
> In a message dated 3/26/2008 11:45:10 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> hasniessa@yahoo.com writes:
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> from the March 25, 2008 edition -
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0325/p09s01-coop.html
> Is democracy a natural state of mankind?
> Maybe Alexander Hamilton, not Thomas Jefferson, was
> right after all.
> By Tim Hackler
>
>
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> Sixteen years ago in this newspaper, I tried to
> answer a perennial question
> about American politics. Does the United States look
> more like the country
> predicted by Thomas Jefferson, or by his rival,
> Alexander Hamilton?
> Jefferson asserted that ordinary people with
> sufficient education and virtue
> can govern themselves wisely, that liberty is the
> natural desire of all
> mankind, and that the world's monarchs and dictators
> will ultimately be
> overthrown. Hamilton, on the other hand, claimed
> Jefferson's view was folly, based on
> wishful thinking, because human nature itself
> precludes the kind of wisdom
> necessary for self-government.
>
> In short, Jefferson speaks to our hopes; Hamilton
> speaks to our fears.
> Back in 1992, I concluded that America, and the
> world, reflected features of
> both men's views – their great philosophical fight
> lay unresolved. Today,
> Hamilton clearly has the upper hand.
>
> Before the Constitutional Convention met in 1787,
> Hamilton observed the
> activities of a few state legislatures and
> concluded: "The inquiry [of
> legislators] constantly is what will please, not
> what will benefit the people." But he
> went a step further: It's the people themselves, not
> the legislators, who are
> to blame. The people, he said, "murmur at taxes,
> clamor at their rulers" but
> then elect demagogues who appeal to our worst
> instincts.
>
> Over the years, Jefferson became less optimistic
> about the wisdom of the
> people, but in the last letter of his long life, he
> summed up his life's vision:
> "All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of
> man." He hoped America's
> experiment with democracy would be "the signal of
> arousing men to burst the
> chains under which monkish ignorance and
> superstition has persuaded them to
> bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and
> security of self-government."
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> In 1992, it was still possible to believe
> Jefferson's prediction could one
> day come true. Many among us thought that the
> "blessings of freedom and
> democracy" might ultimately reach all areas of the
> globe.
>
> But 16 years later, can we still believe this? I
> think most of us have moved
> at least slightly toward Hamilton's darker view of
> human nature. Can we
> still believe, for example, that Jeffersonian
> democracy will one day arrive and
> then survive throughout Africa and the Middle East?
> The painful failures of
> the Iraq war have sowed substantial doubts:
> "Looking back, I felt secure in the
> knowledge that all who yearn for freedom, once
> free, would use it well,"
> wrote Danielle Pletka in The New York Times
> recently. "I was wrong. There is no
> freedom gene...."
>
> History suggests that culture, not genetics,
> determines fitness for
> democracy. And history suggests we can pinpoint what
> kind of culture is required – a
> culture of the Enlightenment.
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> We in the West take the Enlightenment for granted.
> But it took centuries of
> brave, stubborn people, beginning in the 16th
> century, to push back against
> the ignorance and superstition in which all mankind
> had lived, to bring forth
> in isolated centers of learning a world based on
> reason and logic.
>
> Here is a thought experiment to put things in
> perspective. Imagine a map of
> the world in 1800. Color in all the countries that
> took part in or were
> directly influenced by the Enlightenment (let us
> say, England, Ireland, Scotland,
> France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia,
> Slovenia, Belgium,
> Luxembourg, Switzerland, Greece, Spain, Portugal,
> Italy, the Netherlands,
> the US, Canada, and the Scandinavian countries).
>
> Now jump forward two centuries and color in all the
> countries with working
> democracies (as defined by the Economist
> Intelligence Unit). It is virtually
> the same map. Every one of those 22 nations (or
> their derivatives) today has a
> working democracy. And how many countries have a
> fully functional democracy
> but were not among, or did not spring from, those
> 22 countries? Just one –
> Japan.
>
> What does this tell us about the Jefferson versus
> Hamilton question? In a
> Hamiltonian world, democracy will always be a
> precious
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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Dhaka sits on big hollow:Groundwater level drops 3 metres a year; collapse in surface feared as aquifers not recharged adequately

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On 3/27/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

Our media is only seeing the ground water depletion.
What they can not see is the future Dhaka. the rate at
which Dhaka is growing, it will soon be the dumping
ground of garbages of the whole country. If Dhaka has
to survive as a city then we have to stop its further
growth. As first stem we must shift the capital to
somewhere in the norht Bengal. Otherwise the Citizens
living in Dhaka will soon be living in a supersize
dustbin.

Salahuddin Ayubi

--- Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dhaka sits on big hollow:Groundwater level drops 3
> metres a year; collapse in surface feared as
> aquifers not recharged adequately
>
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> Groundwater table in the capital has dropped down
> to 61.18 metres below the surface, 35 metres in the
> last eleven years, due to lack of recharging which
> has put the sprawling metropolis at great risk.
>
> In 1996 the groundwater table was only 26.6 metres
> bellow the surface. But it went 61.18 metres below
> in 2007, declining at the rate of over three metres
> on average every year.
>
> Experts say as an increasing number of city people
> cannot use surface water due to consequent
> pollution, pressures on groundwater have increased,
> resulting in declination of water table.
>
> "If water table continues to fall then a vacuum will
> be created in the aquifer which could cause a sudden
> collapse in the surface," said Khandakar Fazal
> Hasan, chief geologist of Bangladesh Agricultural
> Development Corporation (BADC). "In Bangkok city it
> happened due to over extraction of groundwater," he
> warned.
>
> A study undertaken by BADC recently has pointed this
> sharp drop in groundwater level in Dhaka
> city.According to the study, Dhaka's groundwater
> level was 59.72 metres below in 2006, 57.42 metres
> in 2005, 50.6 metres in 2004, and 46.24 metres in
> 2003.
>
> The water table in Dhaka was on average 42 metres
> below the surface in 2002, 37.78 metres in 2001,
> 34.18 metres in 2000, 31.86 metres in 1999, 30.45
> metres in 1998, 28.15 metres in 1997 and 26.6 metres
> in 1996.The study was carried out with a vertical
> automatic water level recorder, which is now the
> most accepted method of verifying water level.
>
> Quoting a Wasa report, officials said underground
> water table was on average 11.3 metres below the
> surface in the 1970s and 20 metres in the 1980s.
>
> The experts say the decline is occurring fast side
> by side with the increase of population. Demand for
> water in the capital, fifth largest city in the
> world with a population of over 12 million, is now
> more than 2,000 million litres per day (mld) which
> was 1,500 mld in 1998, Wasa sources said.
>
> The three water treatment plants provide with uneven
> amounts -- Sayedabad supplies 225 million litres,
> Chadnighat 39 million litres and Narayanganj 46
> million litres. The remaining has to be extracted
> from groundwater sources.
>
> The experts say withdrawal of groundwater by deep
> tube-wells is a major reason for fall in the table.
> In 1998, the number of deep tube-wells was 234,
> which now stands over 400.
>
> The number is actually much higher as the owners of
> almost all the high-rises have installed deep
> tube-wells, a top official of Wasa (Dhaka Water and
> Sewerage Authority) said seeking not be named.
> Sources say Wasa's two treatment plants can meet
> only 20 percent of the city's demand by treating the
> surface water. The rest is met by deep tube-wells.
>
> Based on their statistics, Wasa officials say water
> level has drastically fallen since 1996 in almost
> all parts of the city including Mirpur, Dhaka
> Cantonment, Dhanmondi, Mohammadpur and Old Dhaka.
>
> Department of Environment sources say concentration
> of heavy metal including cadmium, lead, mercury,
> chromium and aluminium in rivers around Dhaka is
> increasing day by day. Improper application of
> pesticides and disposal of industrial waste are also
> adding to the pollution.
>
> Pollution has already made the surface water of
> Dhanmondi, Gulshan-Baridhara and Ramna lakes
> unusable."Declining groundwater level will greatly
> increase the risks during earthquakes. It could lead
> to subsidence of the clay soil plate Dhaka is
> situated on," said Khandakar Fazal Hasan.
>
> Asked about possible remedial actions, he said
> wetlands and water bodies should be preserved to
> recharge the groundwater level. "It's not possible
> for us to decrease withdrawal of groundwater as
> treating surface water in full volume is not
> possible due to contamination. So we should go for
> groundwater recharging," he noted.
>
> Over the years, different real estate businesses
> have encroached on open space, lakes and rivers,
> barring full recharging of groundwater in the
> monsoons.
>
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Re: [vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Late SK MUJIB : Reality and Romanticism

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On 3/27/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

Noakahilla goruchora abullia , I can not enlighten you because you are ignorant. Light of knowledge always by passes the ignorant.

     Why I write Ayubi, I have been named after a great Muslim general and crusader Salahuddin Ayubi. If you did not know that it is your problem. I was born and named in British India when Ayub Khan was a obscure Colonel fighting in the jungles of Burma. So my name can not have any thing to do with the name of an obscure Army officer..

        As far as the rest of the rubbidh you have posted i would suggest the readers to correct it as follow " Miar sthole Mia rakhia Sona ke katia Lal koria diben.". ar eighnae Khaledar sthole Hasina bu ar BNP r sthole BAL poriben. ar Zindabad er sthole jai hind porben.

     Salahuddin Ayubi

Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@yahoo.com> wrote:

Friends

Just watch the decency of BAL supporter abuilla !!!!!!!

This is the real face of the facist who are wearing the uniform of "Chetona" and talks demcracy and HR and bla bla bla but in reality they are nothing but "Pichansh"(Sadists) and devoid of any civility.

SO, BANGLADESHIS   SHABDHAN   HUSHIAR   SHABDHAN.

Faruque Alamgir

"Mr. Abul" <abuilla@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr Salahuddin,

Why do you have AYUBI in your name? Do you belong to Ayub Khan????

BTW: I don't belong to AL; I am a big supporter of Pakistan. I belong to a Razakar family.

I love BNP and Jamaat. I love Kha Lada Zia, I think we should have her married to my respected Nizami.

Let's all wholeheartedly support BNP-Jammat so that we can go back to the golden days of Pakistan.

Pakistan Zindabad

BNP-Jammat Zindabad

Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Abul,
You must be nuts and a hardcore BAList who do
not want to hear unpleasant truths about BAL or its
leaders. This is facist attitude. BAL is out and out a
facist party. You see its true facist colour when it
is in power.
An unpleasantr news for you. In todays Amader
Shomoy in the last page there is a news questioning
whether Sheikh really wanted independence of
Bangladesh. It Quoted renowned Indian journalist
Kuldip Nayar and another foreign journlist. Please go
through the news item and curse Sheikh Mujib, if that
makes you happy..
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- "Mr. Abul" <abuilla@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You guys are from which part of Pakistan? Usually
> Pakistanis speak in this language.
>
> Otherwise may be you were born as the unexpected
> children after rape by Pakistani Military in 1971.
>
> Pls correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Pakistan Zindabad
> BNP-Jammat Unity Zindabad
> Let's all kiss the asses of Razakar and al-Badrs
> of 1971
> No more Bangladesh, one and only Pakistan
> Khaleda Zia-Nizami Zindabad
>
> Faruque Alamgir <faruquealamgir@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Friends
>
> Hsssshhhhh. Sonar diner kotha boley mon kharap koren
> keno Amin Bhai. Who said that all promises have to
> be fullfilled.Promises are Utopia and not to taken
> seriously.
>
> Faruque Alamgir
>
> Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote: "I
> am your leader, follow me, not what I do but what I
> say" Ayubi
> --- "Md. Aminul Islam"
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> > Our great leader Mujib promises many things but
> > could not keep words,
> > He said " i do not want power rather i want the
> > right of the people of bangla(Bangladesh0
> > But when he was in power he tried to keep in power
> > life long. he introduced Baksal( ek neta ek desh
> > bongo bondhu bangladesh)
> > He said ,we will kill them with rice and water(
> > actually many Bangladesh people died in 1974 for
> > food, he permitted India to start functioning
> > farrakka experimentally and now faarakka is
> killing
> > us with water.)
> > It is noted that late Mujib also wanted to feed us
> > .25 (25paisa) kg sugar but could not.
> > But what hurt me most is he snatched all right of
> > people -political ec economic all, no scope was
> > there to oppose Mujib in baksal period. He uttered
> > the words of dope but he killed the light of hope
> > with his own hand.When he got 2/3 majority in a
> > election of very low acceptability he changed the
> > constitution with one party rule.people lost the
> > right to voice their opinion.
> > Bangladesh went into a grave darkness.
> > If I m wrong pls reply and retify.
> >
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