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Wednesday, May 7, 2008

[vinnomot] Islam and modern age

ISLAM AND THE WEST – WHAT MUSLIMS SHOULD DO?

 

Asghar Ali Engineer

 

(Islam and Modern Age, May 08)

 

Muslims and the West seem to be on collision course. I read every day in Urdu papers about the conspiracies the West hatches to attack and destroy Islam. Western countries do something or the other which offends Muslims and results in protests, street demonstrations and at times results even in violence. Huntington's book,  'Clash of Civilizations', Rushdi's novel 'The Satanic Verse's' controversy, Taslima Nasreen's warm reception by European countries, Pope Benedict's statement about Islam, the Danish cartoons and now a member of the Netherlands's parliament making a film Fitna have all struck headlines. This new controversy has seized the Muslim world.

 

Some Muslims argue that West is enemy of Islam and keeps on attacking Islam and Muslims to serve its own agenda. Some even argue there is limit after all and how long Muslims can tolerate these attacks. They must act to stop this war against Islam. Many burn the flag of the country concerned or trample it underfoot, some give call for boycott of goods manufactured in that country and some even threaten to indulge in violence.

 

The ways our newspapers report, give an impression as if all in the West are hostile to Islam, and all Muslims are bent upon violent protests. But this is far from true. The Muslims should understand that all Westerners are not supporters of whatever some Westerners do, and Westerners should understand that all Muslims do not appreciate violent protests. It is also not true that Western governments patronize anti-Islam cartoons, films or novels. Nor governments of Muslim countries can be held responsible for violent demonstrations.

 

The matter in fact is very complex, and intellectuals on both sides should understand these complex issues involved and make constant efforts to promote proper understanding and smoothen mutual relations. Unfortunately such serious attempts are not being made or even if made do not get proper projection in the media. I would like to make a few suggestions in this regard to be seriously considered.

 

First, we must mutually appreciate our cultural differences which are responsible for a great deal of misunderstandings between the West and the Islamic world. The West has by now a long tradition of secular democracy, freedom and human rights. The Islamic world is still not conversant with such concepts. It has not even ushered in to democracy; and there is no concept of secular democracy or human right in this part of the world.

 

Europe has undergone a long struggle against the Pope and the Church to win its right to criticize. The religion as propagated by the Church, the freedom of its press and certain other fundamental rights. There was a time when the church did not tolerate any criticism or deviation from its theology which had the status of divine injunction. Deviationists were severely punished. Even by death or by burning them at stake. Religious persecution had assumed serious proportions.

 

Since the West had won the rights against the Church after great sacrifices, it is not prepared to give them at any cost, and considers them almost, as sacred as the religious injunctions. It was because of this that philosophers like Bertrand Russell wrote a book like Why I am not a Christian and ridiculed in this book many doctrines propounded by the Church. Several books and articles were written attacking even Christianity and continue to be written even today. Recently a book has been published which questions even existence of Christ. The author quotes several documents to prove that Christ never existed and what church preaches is mere mythology.

 

Whether such a state of affairs is desirable or not is a matter of values to which one subscribes. Today in the West, especially in Europe freedom, secularism and human rights have status of what religious doctrines had in the medieval age. And in democracy these rights have to be ensured without which democracy may lose its meaning. Now it can also take extreme forms e.g., right to ridicule, right to mock at authorities, and political cartoons often make a caricature on mock at the false claims of political authorities.

 

Political cartoons are frequently used to ridicule political leaders. Now the question is whether cartoons can be drawn to ridicule religious leaders or not, and if so, can one draw cartoons of founders of religions who are held in high esteem by their followers? It is of course a matter of ones perspective. Many would insist that it is sacrilegious to draw such cartoons and some would insist it is part of ones fundamental rights.

 

Salman Rushdi too insists on his right to ridicule religious authorities, and mocks at Gabriel and Prophet's (PBUH) wives. The West defended him saying it is part of his human rights or fundamental rights. Western culture as it has developed over the last one century, promotes even sacrilege as part of ones rights as people in the West insist sacrilege is the ultimate right in democratic culture.

 

It was for this reason that the West defends persons like Salman Rushdi, or Danish cartoonist who mocked at the Prophet and showed bombs in his turban. When Muslims protested more papers in European countries published these cartoons in support of the right of the cartoonist. This led to even more protests in Islamic world. Similarly Taslima Nasreen is perceived as one who is persecuted by Muslims and she is projected as a brave woman who must be accorded warm reception to appreciate her courage and fortitude.

 

When Muslims protest, the Western media dub it as act of "fundamentalism" and "religious fanaticism" and condemn it as unbecoming behaviour of enemies of media freedom. The West emphasizes on individual rights, and 'individual is at the centre of all  rights'. There is no concept of collective rights in the Western culture. In democracy individual enjoys all the rights available in the constitution. Also, there is concept of separation of church and state which is quite central to secular democracy.

 

We would now throw light on what prevails in the Islamic world today and why there is such sense of confrontation between Western values and values prevalent in the Muslim world today. The West, instead of outright condemnation of these acts, must try to understand value system of the Islamic world. This value system is undoubtedly more feudal than democratic. Individual rights are subsumed in community rights. There is no concept of full-fledged human rights.

 

Religion is sacred and divine and above any criticism including all its social and cultural traditions. Love and respect for tradition are universal and beyond the pale of any criticism. Often vested interests exploit this situation to their advantage and put many practices not remotely religious, also beyond pale of criticism. Even governments, declaring themselves as Islamic, try to shun criticism.

 

Once you declare something as 'Islamic', it becomes so difficult to criticize it and all sorts of vested interests, particularly the rulers, pass off their mis-governance also as 'Islamic'. Add, to these, low levels of secular education, and the picture becomes complete. There is hardly any awareness among Muslim population of the real issues. Also there is no open society and democratic governance.

 

As there is no democratic governance, there is no concept of human rights. Any such concept is limited to a few intellectuals who cannot air their views publicly. In one International conference in Morocco a couple of years ago, I met several Arab intellectuals who were highly critical of many traditional practices and autocratic governance in the Arab world. It gave me great pleasure.    

 

II

 

ISLAMIC WORLD AND ITS VALUES

 

As is well known Islamic world is yet to go through democratic revolution and hence there is no concept of individual and fundamental rights. There are various reasons for this which needs another article to discuss. It is important for the Western world to understand and comprehend this vital difference between two cultures.

 

Religion and religious values are quite central to Islamic countries or for Muslims who are living in countries like India. Though India is constitutionally a secular democratic country it still lacks modern rational and secular outlook. Indian society too, despite political democracy, lacks what can be called 'social democracy'. Traditional religion has strong grip over the minds of the Indian people and much more so, in the case of the Muslims.

 

India at least has political democracy. Islamic world, by and large, does not have even that. In Islamic world traditional religion and religio-cultural values reign supreme. There is absolutely no rational intellectual tradition spread all over society. Even if there are a few intellectuals who care for rational approach, they are isolated and are hardly heard with respect. Often they have to pay heavy price for their intellectual conviction.

 

It should suffice to give two examples as to how such intellectuals have to suffer. One example is of Prof. Fazlur Rehman, a noted Islamic scholar who was also believer in Islam and Islamic values. However, he had different understanding of the nature and meaning of revelation (he never denied revelation per se) and he also believed in rational approach to Islam. There was hue and cry when he published his ideas about the nature and meaning of revelation and he not only had to resign as director of an Islamic institution, he had to leave Pakistan and teach in Chicago University for rest of his life.

 

Another example is of Abu Zayd Nasr, an Egyptian scholar who had studied in al-Azhar, the renowned Islamic University in Cairo and also later taught there. He also expressed his ideas about revelation (tanzil) and its interpretation (ta'wil); which were not in accordance with traditional thinking. He was tried in a court of law for sacrilege and the court ruled that he was no more a Muslim and hence his married wife became harami (prohibited) for him. Both Zayd Abu Nasr and his wife escaped and found refuge in Holland, and he has been teaching there ever since.

 

Both Fazlur Rehman and Zayd Abu Nasr were respected scholars of Islam but did not subscribe to traditional views about revelation and paid heavily for their views. Both were believers and had profound knowledge of their religion but were not conformists and so had to pay a price. Their views were considered sacrilegious and deviationist. In this atmosphere of total lack of freedom even within the framework of religious beliefs, one can understand the reaction of Muslim theologians and politicians (who always want to be on the right side of 'Ulama) if persons like Rushdi or Taslima Nasreen or Danish cartoonist, express their views. 

 

The Westerners must understand that the whole value system in Islamic world is very different from their own. In traditional Islamic societies religion and religious traditions are considered holy and beyond pale of criticism. Also vested interests exploit this for their own advantage. Often even mis-governance is projected as 'Islamic' and any criticism is banned.

 

Add to this lack of any democratic values and awareness of human rights and low levels of literacy and the picture is complete. Most of the Muslim countries are governed by autocrats who are completely insensitive to people's rights and any movement for human rights is crushed. It will take long time to usher in democratic values in Islamic world. Entire education system is to produce conforming minds.

 

However, there are intellectuals who are critical of this state of affairs. I met many of them in an international Islamic conference in Morocco a couple of years ago. It was highly refreshing to listen to them criticizing lack of democratic rights in Muslim countries and the disproportionate role-played by traditional 'Ulama. However, this is limited to a few intellectuals and even these intellectuals are unable to publicly criticize their governments, or even 'Ulama in their countries.

 

Also, let westerners know that religion and religious traditions are very much integral part of people's lives in Islamic world. These are not only sacred but lived traditions for them. The western perspective is very different. For them, except those who belong to Church, religion is far from sacred. It is democracy and freedom of thought that is sacred. It is part of human rights to mock at religion. Thus these are two different worlds. They must appreciate this world view of Muslims. If they have intimate knowledge of Muslim world and their religious traditions and cultural values probably there will be no such confrontation.

 

Also, those Muslims who have migrated from Muslim world and live in Western countries, carry these cultural values with them, are greatly disturbed when they see their religious traditions being insulted. The film Fitna made by a member of the parliament of Netherlands, is the result of such confrontation. Such people have hardly any intimate knowledge of Muslim societies, let alone of the Qur'an.

 

Some Westernized and secularized Muslims like Salman Rushdi, Hirsi Ali and others also take completely westernized view and attack traditional Islamic values, and they are naturally lionized by western media and projected as great champions of human liberty and human rights. This has created an atmosphere of Islamophobia in Western countries. What is needed is dialogue between representatives of these two value systems – Western and Islamic – to end the atmosphere of confrontation.

 

Films like Fitna are not going to make things easy. They would lead to further intensification of confrontation. There are rightist elements in Western countries who want confrontation, not peace between the two value systems. Maker of the film, Fitna, is well known rightist politician. He could not be persuaded even by the Prime Minister of Netherlands not to make the film. He had definite rightist agenda.

 

 

WHAT MUSLIMS SHOULD DO?

 

As it is necessary for Westerners to appreciate Muslim cultural viewpoint, it is also necessary for Muslims to understand Western point of view and their respect for democratic values and human rights. While it is true that many Western scholars and media persons are rightist in their political agenda and attack Islam deliberately, there are many other who criticize Islam and Muslims as they feel many Muslim beliefs are undemocratic and anti-modern. They cannot understand why Salman Rushdi should be killed for his criticism or mockery of Islamic beliefs. It is his right to do so, especially in a Western country where the culture of democracy and human rights prevails.

 

Even while opposing views of Salman Rushdi, or Taslima Nasreen or Danish cartoonist, there is no need to get violent. Muslims must prove through our conduct that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and individual dignity. The Qur'anic teaching is not to abuse others or insult others. The Qur'an requires Muslims even not to abuse others gods lest they should abuse Allah out of ignorance (6:109). Even if others attack out of ignorance we must be dignified in our opposition to their views of Islam.    

 

Qur'an also says that even while debating with people of the Book, debate in the best possible manner. Thus Qur'an says, "And argue not with the people of the Book except by what is best save such of them as act unjustly." (29:46). Qur'an is saying all this when democratic culture or democratic rights were totally unknown. Even while disagreeing we must respect other's views. This is Qur'anic culture. Qur'anic culture is culture of tolerance. Tolerance is one of the best values of civilized people. Islam came to create a new human person. This human person is called m'umin by Qur'an and mu'min means believer – believer in best human values like justice, compassion, tolerance and wisdom.

 

As Muslims we must also reflect critically whether we seriously believe in these values. These values are so important that they represent Allah's names in Qur'an – Allah is just, compassionate and wise. If we believe in Allah we must believe in these values and if we worship Allah we must practise these values making them part of our lives. Then and then only we can call ourselves as believers!

 

Today Muslims are thought to be most intolerant and fanatic. Why? Should we not seriously reflect on this situation? All sorts of vested interests abound among us styling themselves as Muslims and leaders of Muslims. They often mislead us. Islam was torch bearer of 'ilm (knowledge) and we have become torch bearers of ignorance. Our 'Ulama  (it means those who know) represent ignorance rather than knowledge. They acquire nothing but traditional knowledge of Islam and are narrow minded, sectarian and totally ignorant of world they live in. They still believe that the Greek knowledge once studied by their ancestors as final and even sacred. This is what is taught under m'aqulat (rational sciences) in madrasas.

 

It is we Muslims who have made persons like Salman Rushdi, Taslima Nasreen, Hirsi Ali and others as great heroes of the Western world. Had Muslims not protested violently and issued fatwas to kill them, they would have been unknown entities. This way we have brought nothing but disgrace for Islam and Muslims. Some Urdu papers use word mal'un and mal'unah (those accursed by Allah) even while giving news about them. When Muslim media behaves so irresponsibly how can we expect western media to behave with dignity? Disagreeing with their views does not mean invoking curses for them.

 

There are selfish political leaders who want to cash in all such opportunities for their political interests. These opportunistic leaders exploit innocent Muslim religious sentiments for promoting their own interests. We have become emotional instead of rational. We instantly sacrifice rationality on the altar of emotions. In Qur'an wisdom is the highest value and Qur'an says, those who are given wisdom have been given good in abundance.

 

Muslim intellectuals should also shed their fear and come out boldly for defence of Islamic values of tolerance and wisdom. If we really care for positive values of Islam we must oppose such opportunism as displayed by our politicians and ignorance and sectarianism displayed by so called 'Ulama. The Prophet (PBUH) said that best form of jihad is speaking truth on the face of tyrant ruler. Time has come to speak out truth in the face of those who exploit Islam for their selfish ends. They are not really defenders of Islam but defenders of their own interests.

 

Will we come out in defence of true Islam?  

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Institute of Islamic Studies, Mumbai,

E-mail: csss@mtnl.net.in

 

  

 

   

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[vinnomot] Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading, unlimited oil inside planet!!!

Russia has never used its less producing or more producing of Crude Oil to effect the World Price of Oil so pointing-out to Russia as culprit is not justifiable. Please provide some proof that Russia has decreased her Crude Oil Output so much that price of Oil is going up so much otherwise, you are full of shit, sir.

"T.I.Ruben" <twhdl@yahoo.com> wrote:

Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Zionist Scam. What's Russia Really Sitting On? ..hmm… you maybe shocked!
By: Bulov on: 07.05.2008 [00:59 ] (529 reads)


While Moscow invests heavily in unlimited oil production for the future, New
York
squanders America's dwindling oil profits on fast cars.
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http://reactor-core.org/peak-oil.html


In 1970 the Russians started drilling Kola SG-3, an exploration well which finally reached a staggering world record depth of 40,230 feet. Since then, Russian oil majors including Yukos have quietly drilled more than 310 successful super-deep oil wells, and put them into production. Last Year Russia overtook Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest single oil producer, and is now set to completely dominate global oil production and sales for the next century.

If the opening paragraph of this report started by claiming that completely unlimited crude oil reserves exist inside planet earth, readers might be tempted to regard the entire text as preposterous ghostwriting for a novelist like Frederick Forsyth. If the report then went on to claim that the Russians have exploited this stunning reality for nearly thirty years, right under the largely unwitting noses of western intelligence, readers could be excused for mistaking the author for a lunatic, or perhaps as a front for spy novelist John le Carré. The problem here is that unlimited oil reserves do exist inside planet earth, and the Russians long ago developed the advanced technology necessary to recover these unlimited oil reserves in an efficient and timely manner.
Profoundly disturbing hard intelligence like this does not sit well with the frantic cries of western academic shills and lobbyists, determined to convince you all that the end of the oil world is nigh,
or, more accurately, that America faces an imminent catastrophe when global production capacity "Peaks", i.e. when world demand for crude oil finally exceeds the rate at which we can physically pump the required product out of the ground. The gist of these false claims are outlined in a speech given at the at the University of Clausthal, by lobbyist Doctor Colin Campbell during December 2000:
"In summary, these are the main points that we have to grasp: Conventional Free flowing oil provides most of the oil produced today, and is responsible for about 95% of all oil that has been produced so far. It will continue to dominate supply for a long time to come. It is what matters most. Its discovery peaked in the 1960s. We now find one barrel for every four we consume. Middle East share of production is set to rise. The rest of the world peaked in 1997, and is therefore in terminal decline. World peak comes within about five years" circa 12/2005
Campbell is just the tip of a giant iceberg of academic Peak Oil 'experts' who suddenly appeared en-masse to give you this frightening news, right after President Saddam Hussein suddenly started trading his oil in Euros rather than in US Dollars, a devastating switch with the easy capacity to destroy the US Dollar in less than five years if it was left unchallenged and unchecked.
So these shills decoys were carefully positioned to deflect your attention away from the obvious greed and incompetence of the United States Government and its Wall Street masters, and focus it elsewhere instead. Then, hopefully, a few years later down the track when prices start to bounce through the roof, and America has no Euros to buy crude oil, you will blame gasoline prices of $5.00+ per gallon at the pumps on an 'inevitable decline' in world oil production, rather than march furiously on Washington DC with locked and loaded firearms.
Though attacking Campbell and his ilk is not the purpose of this report, his idiot claims can be debunked readily enough. While it is true that nowadays we only officially find one barrel of oil for every four barrels we consume, this is primarily because we temporarily stopped the incredibly expensive process of looking for crude oil when we had already physically established more than two trillion barrels of reserves in known reservoir locations around the world. When those known reserves drop to say one trillion barrels we may be tempted to go and find more, but not until then. And while it is true that the production rate from each individual oil well ever drilled has slowly declined over the years, there is a perfectly valid technical reason for this predictable reduced flow rate, which will be explained later.
In order to understand how Russia has left the rest of the world standing in its wake, it is essential to know a little bit about where oil is located, and how it is extracted from the ground for refining and commercial use. It is an enormously complex subject, especially when considering the ultra-deep wells, which should really have a separate category all of their own. Many years ago I was personally involved at the sharp end of two ultra-deep drilling operations one of them in direct liaison with Russian experts from the Moscow Drilling Institute, and will try to keep this drilling lesson as simple as I can. Thankfully perhaps, the underlying principle of how and where oil is recovered from is not difficult to comprehend, as illustrated by the diagram below.
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[vinnomot] Beware of GM Corps

By taking advantage of the current food crisis (rice), the powerfull lobbying group may start advocating their false propadana in favor of the GM corps ( genetically modified corps). Because of the ill effect of such corps on human health, and also cost hazardous, many developed nationas have already BANNED the import/cultivation of GM corps.
 
But underdeveloped nations and very much prone to the false porpaganda of the GM corps advocates and manufacturers. Since Bangladesh's internal cituation is vunerable to numerous destractive "suggestions", it is very much likely that, those profit mongers definitely would make an attempt to promote GM corps. Because of the ill effects, many farmer in our neighboring India was forced to comit suicide. A strong and powerfull lobby in India now trying to fight this threat.
 
In Bangladesh, many prominent intellectuals have already raised their concern on this issue. As the result, writers like Farhad Mazhar was shown the exit door by one leading newspaper, where Mr Mazhar was once an important contributor. As bloggers it is our duty to raise our concern against profit mongering in expence of our farmers and our land.
 
Here is an audio clip from yesterdays BBC Bangla program, where the ill effect of the GM corps have been elaborated by an Indian expert.
 
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[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] CG losing popularity : British HC ........ Is it Boot ...

Mr. S. Ayubi,
Please read the attached mail from another writer and comment on that. I should write you back, rest assured.
 
Gopal Sengupta
Canada
 

 Dear All,
 
If people do not learn from history , they are bound to repeat the history. No country is ruled by every day popularity, leaders take decision showing his/her leadership for the good of the country, history will judge him or her. Please read our very following recent past,, are we going to repeat the history and bring terrorism expert from USA/UK?.
 
 
Subject: [khabor.com] Khaleda,Hasina,Jamat Supporters- all should open their eyes wide- who created and supported Terrorists directly or indirectly?

Dear All Freedom Loving, Bold, and Courageous Bangladeshi,

Let us see very inquisitively, openly and non-partisan wise for a single moment. For last 15 years we had elected governments in power, we experienced most corrupted governments in the world for consecutively at least for 6 years. If any one say corruption and terrorism does not have correlation- think more deeply; Common people turn to Allah's or God's or Bhahgoban's help and cheap and free medicine for cure of  diseases to quack doctors/Pir/Fakir etc. when he/she can not afford a qualified doctor or the doctor say to get ready for final in coming absolute sure death., Same way, when politicians, leaders can not solve our common peoples' problems with truthfulness, justice, democracy,human rights and transparency , we  go to Moulanas, Mollahas, followers of Blind Faiths or some times good faiths etc. and believe in Jamat, Hujii, JMB, Harkatul Islam etc. etc.- even we join Terrorist organizations/Taliban/Al Quida/Mujahidin etc. to kill innocent people to encourage innocent people to bring peace, and Allah's rule replacing corrupted politicians' rule in our countries.
That is why now US Ambassador of Counter Terrorism, Mr. Dell A. Daily arrived in Dhaka yesterday (News Attached below:). Because  our corrupted past Governments brought terrorism in Bangladesh.
If your memory is not short following six terrorists/Moulanas/JMB Leaders were hanged by the much criticized present Emergency Rule Government now, which we clamor/go for hunger strike/demonstrate to  oust at home and abroad and want  let BNP/BAL/Jamat come back  and  rule us while corrupted crores of money  are still in their hands, no time for independent judiciary to do justice, so called leaders want to capture power through fake democracy, bluffing meaningless corrupted elections with corrupted money..

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The Daily Star, Vol. 5 Num 1007 Sat. March 31, 2007

Now, Dear All Freedom Loving, Bold, and Courageous Bangladeshi, ask yourself a question, do you want the above shown six terrorist murderers come back in the guise of fake religion and politics through alleged corrupted leaders and visit of Mr. Dell A. Dally of USA to Bangladesh repeated again?
Regards.
Yours sincerely,
Golam F. Akhter
Bangladesh-USA Human Rights Coalition 
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The Daily Star, 5/7/08
US coordinator for counterterrorism arrives today
Diplomatic Correspondent


US State Department Coordinator for Counterterrorism Ambassador Dell L. Dailey arrives in Dhaka today to discuss issues related to counterterrorism and US-Bangladesh cooperation on the global war on terror with senior government officials.

This will be the first visit of the US State Department's Coordinator for Counterrorism to Bangladesh, underscoring the growing importance of cooperation between the two nations in this area. According to the US embassy officials in Dhaka, during his two-day visit Ambassador Dailey will meet senior government officials on issues related to counterterrorism and US-Bangladesh cooperation on the global war on terror. They said Bangladesh has become a valuable US ally in the global war on terror. As part of the war effort, the Bangladesh government has begun to address problems of money laundering and weak border controls to ensure that Bangladesh does not become a terrorist safe-haven. During the meeting with high officials, Ambassador Dailey is likely to pursue them to pass a series of amendments that would strengthen Bangladesh's Anti-Money Laundering Act and also create a draft for an Anti-Terrorism Act.

The legislation would help Bangladesh enter Egmont, the international body of Financial Intelligence Units that plays a critical role in fighting terror financing, they added. The issue of counterterrorism cooperation between India and Bangladesh is also likely to come up for discussion. The United States has launched a US$20 million, five-year anti-corruption programme in Bangladesh to further transparency and good governance efforts both necessary foundations for counterterrorism activities.
 
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CG losing popularity : British HC
Anwar Chy says two years a long time for an interim admn
UNB, DHAKA

British High Commissioner Anwar Choudhury observed that the popularity with which the caretaker government came to power seems to be on the wane as he said two years are a long time for an interim regime.
"Yes, it is a longer period of time. Our view was that it should be as shorter as possible and actions should be as faster as possible so you get to the elections," he said in an exclusive interview with the news agency.
Choudhury said, "The longer you take to do anything, the more risky you are from unseen events. Even if you are brilliant, you are prone to risk from unseen events."
Asked if he felt that the government lost the popularity it took over with 16 months back, he said, "Yes, that looks to be true. You see popularity goes up and down."
During 90-minute interview at the envoy's residence, Choudhury spoke on a wide range of subjects, encompassing the fate of general election, notion about militarization, anti-graft trial, terrorism, climate change and bilateral trade and investment.
Asked whether he foresees silky road ahead of the elections, Choudhury, who closely watched twists and turns of political events in his four-year tenure, said road ahead of the elections seems less bumpy than six months ago and he is extremely hopeful about the election by next December.
"Road is definitely there-it is clear and the signpost is there.  Hopefully, there is no major hole in the road ahead and people are now looking at the elections," said Choudhury, a most media-focused British diplomat the country ever has.
About a greater role of the army in governance, Choudhury said, "One should always guard against approaching militarization."
He, however, said the army is playing a strong supportive role in doing some good projects like voter registration and helping people in floods and cyclones, for examples. "So, something is welcome while other things people need to discuss-what is good and what is worrying."
Choudhury said, "Our position is very clear. Our national policy is to support the best election that Bangladesh can achieve for democratic government. Bangladesh should have a strong democracy and democracy would be the mode of our relations."
Asked whether the polls would get international credence without former ruling parties-BNP and Awami League-in the fray, he said:
"Our main effort is to help Bangladesh get to a level playing field for free and fair elections having a credible voter list and having credible scene so there is no serious doubt about rigging and no sign of money and muscleman factors that was part of the problem that led to a situation in 2006 and 2007."
Now, in December 2008, if the field is totally level, people will hopefully participate in the elections. Party position is entirely party decision. "But it would be a shame if everybody does not participate in the election, something for which the country is waiting for so long."
Asked about the polls under the state of emergency, he said, "We hope that it can be lifted totally allowing people to organise and enjoy the elections. If total lift is not possible, it must be lifted maximum in all practical sense."
When pointed out that past three elections were held without state of emergency and the elections results were by and large acceptable, Chowdhury said law and order and voters' safety must be ensured as elections must be physically safe and away from any intimidation.
"Our position is clear: the state of emergency should be lifted absolutely in all practical steps."
Asked about public perception that the government loyalists would be made elected under a plan as parties are alleging, he said, "I have heard about that but it is difficult for me to assess how real it is.  We hear such rumours throughout my four years here. Even for last 15 months I used to hear many rumours. But we are doing our own assessment and analysis."
About Britain's position if the election results were manipulated, Choudhury said the "rigged or manipulated elections will not be acceptable to us. Election has to be free and fair". He said Britain had opposed the elections in 2007 on the allegation of rigging and "our position has not changed".
Asked about Awami League and BNP's demand for release of Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia, he said there is judicial process that must have transparency and integrity and due process must be followed without any discrimination.
Asked if he thinks due process is being followed, he said, "We are watching the process constantly and we can have comment on that at the end of the process."
Asked if he considers it weakness to hold trial of the two leaders on the one hand and reported behind-the-scene negotiations on the other to reach a deal, Chowdhury said he would not comment as it is a too sensitive matter to comment on.
About Cherie Blair's concern aired during her visit about Sheikh Hasina's health and suggestion for sending her abroad for treatment, he said, "I am sure the government took note of it."
About the government-political party dialogue, the Bangladeshi-origin British diplomat said the dialogue is welcome and it is up to the government and the parties to decide what issues they would discuss and reach consensus.
On National Security Council (NSC), he said they don't have any problem with that as such councils or committees exist in many countries. He cited as an example that Britain constituted the National Security and Emergency Committee after the terrorist attacks on London.
He said the Bangladeshis would take the decision about the role of the NSC and how to fit it in overall democratic structure. "We don't have any objection to that."
Asked about former US Ambassador Patricia Butenis and his efforts to figure out a consensus between BNP and Awami League before the 1/11 changeover, Choudhury said they had taken an initiative as they were asked by political parties to help overcome the situation.
"It is true we took the initiative as friends of Bangladesh to avert the situation. But, in the end, people made their own decisions. We are only just foreign friends. You don't have to listen to us. It is your country and you will decide."
Choudhury went on saying, "We felt if this country became a failed state, it is a problem for everybody. We wanted to avert that situation. There was an Islamic extremist threat and then the collapse in the governance in 2006 right up to 1/11 and we did our very best."
He said general people had agreed that the country would be heading towards a situation like Kenya after the unacceptable elections set for January 22. "We had to report to our governments and the governments instructed us to persuade the parties as much as we can to avoid that situation."
Chowdhury said they were worried because, first of all, "we are genuine friends of Bangladesh and secondly, Bangladesh is important to us. Our minds and hearts are attached to Bangladesh."
He noted that Britain sees Bangladesh as a partner with increased trade and development and they work together on climate change and fight against terrorism.
Asked why the last-minute talks failed before the imposition of the state of emergency, he said it is better to ask the political parties-BNP and Awami League.
"I think generally people always try to overplay their cards. There is no attitude of compromise," he said, adding, "To get a deal, there must be compromise. If everything is taken to eyeball-to-eyeball situation, you are lost. It is better to make a deal when you are not against the corner."
The High Commissioner had a further word on political culture here:
"One of the problems here is people overplay their hands. It is the culture of acrimony between political parties."
Asked about some skepticism that Westminster-type democracy is not effective in the context of a developing country like Bangladesh, Choudhury wondered if Bangladesh was truly following the Westminster model. "Political parties here wish to follow Westminster type, but is it followed in practice?"
Describing the British democracy of Westminster type as the best model, he said in this system, the opposition and the government always unite on national interests. There is rivalry, but within a framework of national interests. The opposition leader sits with the Prime Minister and there is a host of checks and balances.
In the UK, he said, there is party conference every year where leadership is challenged, changed, or new leadership emerges according to the needs of the environment.
Indicating Bangladesh's past confrontational politics, Choudhury said the Westminster democracy is not about fighting for five years and then have election. It is rather about attending parliament and discussing issues, he said, adding that Bangladesh can change its system as everything changes with development and different countries have different modes of democracy.
"But what is important is some correlation between the people and the parties. What people want is freedom to choose their own leaders," he noted.
About the longer tenure of the caretaker government, he said, "Nearly two years is a long time. I think those views were expressed at that time, but people in the end accepted the rationale of the roadmap."
He said people realised that it does take time to prepare a voter list of 80 to 90 million people. Besides, the government explained that they not only want to have the elections and acceptable results but a strong democracy, and for that its needs reform of some of the institutions that are weak. But two years are a long time.
Asked why so much stress is being given on terrorism in Bangladesh, Choudhury, himself a victim of grenade attacks in his ancestral hometown Sylhet, said "Terrorism is not solely Bangladesh's problem but it is a global one-and Bangladesh is vulnerable as we see. It's a wrong attitude to become complacent."
He, in this context, noted that Bangladesh did well in pursuing terrorists in 2006-2007. But the country should not feel complacent.  "Out of the four Ps, Bangladesh is good in pursuing but it needs improvement in 'prevention, protection and preparation' to continue its fight against terrorism."
In reply to a question, Anwar said he would have been happy if the judicial process had completed before his departure. "However, we are glad that the culprits had been caught and put on trial. We hope justice must deliver."
He said a Joint Working Group of Counterterrorism comprising senior officials of the two countries would meet end of June or early August, possibly in Dhaka, to discuss ways and means of countering terrorism.
On adverse impact of climate change on Bangladesh, he said Britain provided 30 million pounds sterling to help Bangladesh undertake projects to adapt to the adverse impacts of the climate change.
About reported predicament of the Bangladeshi curry industry in the United Kingdom following introduction of the point-based immigration system, Choudhury said skilled chefs and managers have no problem under the new system and Bangladesh needs to export skilled workforce.
To another question, he said genuine Bangladeshi students would be in better position to get admitted into genuine colleges and universities in the UK under the point system.
Asked about awarding coal-mining contract to British company Asia Energy, he said it is purely a matter of the government to decide.  "Our job is to support trade and investment and the British companies operating in foreign countries, and Asia Energy is one of them."
He said the Bangladesh government would have to take the decision about the mining method, export and royalty etc. "But the decision must be speedy and transparent. Slow decision or no decision makes people get fed-up. It is not good for image of the country. We ask for a fair treatment for an investor and for everybody else."
Painting a rosy picture of the Bangladesh-Britain bilateral relations that reached a new trajectory during his tenure, Choudhury said, "I am leaving Bangladesh with a song in my heart. I leave fulfilled with an objective analysis of all areas of our improved relations."

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