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Saturday, June 28, 2008

[vinnomot] Glimpse of Bangladesh History - Lest we forget ! [You Tube Videos ]

 
You Tube Videos - Glimpse of Bangladesh History  - Lest we forget !
 
What Mujib Said:
7 March, 1971- Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Zia clarifies his timing of declaration of independence
Bangladesh-71 (1)
March 23, 1971
Pakistan army action in Bangladesh 1971
A Martyrs wife
A documentary on Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib by Bulbul Hasan
declaration of independence by Zia
Declaration of Independence Bangladesh
Part 1of6 of Untold Stories of liberation War of 1971
Part 2of6 of Untold Stories of Liberation War of 1971
Part 3of6 of Untold Stories of Liberation War of 1971
Part 4of6 of Untold Stories of Liberation War of 1971
Part 5of6 of Untold Stories of liberation War of 1971
Part 6of6 of Untold Stories of Liberation War of 1971
 
 
[Courtesy Zafar Chowdhury]
 
On 6/28/08, Zafar Chowdhury <zchow@yahoo.com> wrote
There are some people who always try to find issues to disparage our father of the nation. This theory that Mujib did not know the difference between lakh and million is an old one surfacing again. I  don't really know whether 3 million, or 3 lakh, 1 lakh or even 50,000 (as esmated by Tikka Khan) people got killed and truth of the matter is nobody will really know. Those of us who has actually been through
1971 never tried to count the number of deads-we were too busy running for our lives. But as a first hand eye witlesss who was in Dacca the whole nine months, let me tell you, we lived a life of  terror. There were buildings burned, men pulled out of buses and killed just because the bastard didn't like their faces. And if you  were Hindu, you were killed right away. Every Bengali was scared every single day thinking he or she may not see the end of day.Anyway about the `million' number-it came from foreign press. So if
we want to blame some one about incorrect estimate we should blame Time, Newsweek and other Internation press-not Mujib who was not relesed from Pakistani prison till early 1972. Please watch this video of Mujib. Hope this will clarify that Mujib  knew the difference between lakh and million. Hear him say "No body  can suppress 70 million people." No, he did not mean 70 lakhs, he meant 7 crores.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRu3rzJvFE:
 

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[vinnomot] Outline of a dream project - turning threat into an opportunity

Outline of a dream project - turning threat into an opportunity

We are talking about 30-35 billions of total investment over next 25 years. Start the process with very little investment at the moment. If things can be started well, in few years time, we are convinced that there will be so many interest in this project that you will have to return money from a lot of prospective investors!

 

This is a conceptual outline of a nation-wide project would attract billions of dollars, millions of tourists and skilled workers, thousands of experts, hundreds of companies to Bangladesh to make it a land of opportunities that would one day rival UAE and Singapore. However, these dollars, tourists, experts and companies will be a bit different in type compared to those others, we call them the version two that keeps sustainability in their mind in every step of the way.

If marketed in a proper way with the bold entrepreneurs from UAE and Singapore (who usually do not shy away from competition) with technical vetting from the experts from Netherlands (who has a track-record of making a living out of training rivers), this could add tremendous thrust to what has been achieved so far in Bangladesh.

Before going into the details, we want to empasize one thing. If the history our human civilization is any precursor, we as a species always falter before we catch up and do the right thing. With our latest mess of Global Warming, we have already completed the first part of the hypothesis, which is faltering with our actions and failing to do anything meaningful yet to freeze and reverse the warming. However, as we said, we will catch up - process of which has already started with changes of mind and hearts of millions of people around the world and soon these will be translating into actions. However, in the process of catching up, we may loose many of island states such as Maldives. This project will be able to reclaim enough land in the shoreline of Bay of Bengal that we could accomodate Maldives if such an unfortunate time comes which we hope will never occur.

Enough for introduction and motivation. Lets lay down the concept of the project. But for that you have to go at the bottom of this article and read the article from a German newspaper, specifically the second part titled "Taming Monster Rivers". We also recommend the following two institutes to start the groundwork of simulating the whole project so it can soon be taken to the drawing board.

RIKS (Research Institute of Knowledge Systems)

IWM (Institute of Water Modelling)

To start, its fitting to use few quote from the following news item if you haven't done so already.

"This island developed very recently .... the island will continue to grow."

".....sometimes finds the doomsday scenarios surprising."

In fact, hydrologically speaking the Netherlands is a country that shouldn't even exist. But skillful engineering has guaranteed the Dutch a successful existence. Polders, dikes and water-retaining structures protect its territory against the sea. According to Carvajal Monar, "this is precisely what we could do in Bangladesh, but unfortunately we're moving forward far too slowly."

Along with what is suggested here, we also want to add few things. River training mechanism should be adapted for the local terrain and situation. The techniques should not and can not be directly applied that worked for Netherlands. Thats why its important for the local researchers to get involved in a big way. The government has a big role in this.

Given the situation in Bangladesh, it seems that a distributed river training system would be more appropriate. Solar driven thousands of small pontun like sediment managment system should be deployed throughout the country. Down the stream and along the shoreline, there should be mechanisms in place that would encourage natural collection of the sediments that are coming from the Himalayas in millions of tons every year. Over the years this should enable us to push our south border in a significant way as well as build few sigficantly new islands.

However, the main focus should be to tame the rivers. Not only tame, a plan should be in place that will envision them to return to their earliers paths - where possible. This would do several miracle. Stop the creation of thousands of internal refugees. Increase the agricultural land. Stop the flood in many areas. However, this has a possible negative, too. If you can stop the flood, it would also create a problem with the fertility of the lands. So, we should take separate parallel projects that encourages farmers to use organic fertilizer in a large scale.

Reclaimed lands down south could become the world class tourist spot. If the simulations show that the reclamation and creation of the island with the sediments from Himalayas carried by these monster rivers can be projected in a reliable way, we think, there would be billions of dollars ready investment, aside from our own national investment. We could keep writing pages after pages, however, its better to leave the details for the experts. We have already mentioned two possible expert institutions who have the track-record for doing similar but smaller scale project. If the Government of Bangladesh is willing to examine the project, we would imagine that the real experts around the world will be very excited about the project.

As we have said earlier, this is project which should be treated as a strategic matter on the part of Bangladesh. And as a matter of fact, such a project would naturally require a smooth coordination among the downstream (Bangladesh) and Upstream (India, Nepal, Bhutan) countries. However, our suggestion would be to proceed with the project in a manner where we will assume total non-cooperation from India (which is usually the case). And there is no reason that we should expect that will change soon. But that should not stop us. Its easy to blame them. However, designing a system within the given realities is the job of the engineers and designers. It will be harder, but it is possible. We should go ahead taking it as a fact that India will keep doing what they have been doing with Farrakka, Ganges-Padma water sharing. Off course, things might improve over the time, so the overall design should be able to correct for that, too.

Such a project will be more than the budget of the nation, every year, spread over several decades. A rough estimate may put the whole project into 30-35 billion spread over next 20 years. Things should get clearer as we get some simulation result that incorporates real data. So, let the dream begin, soon.

Before we end, we should emphasize two supplementary projects that should follow the base level national project. A country like Bangladesh where the world's safest rivers like Meghna flows, such a country should not lift its drinking water from underground. Also, a country through which most of the waters from the Himalayas flows to the Bay, that country should become one of the world's leading exporter of drinking water.

 

If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time, please forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columnists in regular traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear to the journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it with them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due diligence.

Thanks for your time,
Innovation Line

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Note: This is a freelance column, published mainly in different internet based forums. This column is open for contribution by the members of new generation, sometimes referred to as Gen 71. If you identify yourself as someone from that age-group and want to contribute to this column, please feel free to contact. Thanks to the group moderator for publishing the article as Creative Commons contents.

Dear readers, also, if you thought the article was important enough so it should come under attention of the head of the government please forward the message to them. Email address for the Chief Advisor: feeedback@pmo.gov.bd_ or at http://www.cao.gov.bd/feedback/comments.php .

The more of you forward it to them, the less will be the need to go back to street agitation. Use ICT to practice democracy.

Also send to your favourtie TV channel:
Channel i: http://www.channel-i-tv.com/contact.html
ATN Bangla: mtplive@atnbangla.tv_
NTV: info@ntvbd.com_
RTV: info@rtvbd.tv_
BTV: info@btv.gov.bd_
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Link:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,552811,00.html

May 12, 2008

NOMADS OF THE TIDES
How Bangladesh Is Preparing for Climate Change

By Gerald Traufetter

Part 1: How Bangladesh Is Preparing for Climate Change

Dutch engineers are helping people in Bangladesh build dikes, polders and water-retaining structures to protect them against recurring floods. Despite climate change, the country could even grow. Ultimately, though, the greatest threat in Bangladesh comes not from water but from political chaos.

Fortunato Carvajal Monar is in the land-making business. And this Saturday morning is shaping up to be the beginning of a good workday.

The sun strikes the dirty water of the Ganges River, causing it to sparkle in golden colors. Carvajal Monar jumps energetically from a speedboat onto the sand. He walks a few steps before reaching an odd-looking ledge, which had already attracted his attention when he saw it through binoculars.

The ledge is half a meter (about a foot and a half) tall. Light-colored lines of sand are sandwiched between layers of dark clay. Carvajal Monar sticks his ballpoint pen into the soil to test the consistency of the material. "Less than a year old," the 59-year-old hydraulic engineer succinctly concludes.

He tugs on the coarse tufts of dune grass that have become established in the soft soil. "This island developed very recently," he says. Vast amounts of sediment were washed up during the last flood, and based on his experience, says Carvajal Monar, "the island will continue to grow."

A native of Colombia, Carvajal Monar has often stepped onto new land in this nation, which everyone says is doomed. He works for the Dutch consulting company Royal Haskoning in Bangladesh, a country that is considered to be one of the biggest victims of climate change.

Carvajal Monar sometimes finds the doomsday scenarios surprising. They simply do not coincide with his experiences in Bangladesh. "This country has tremendous opportunities to grow," says Carvajal Monar, as he spreads out an older map and points to the Bay of Bengal. "Down here, for example, not much on this map is correct anymore."

The country is as ephemeral as human life. "Land is disappearing everywhere, but new land is taking shape elsewhere," says Carvajal Monar. "The problem is that the politicians here lack a long-term strategy of gaining, developing and protecting new land." His fingers slide farther south along the map, far out into the Bay of Bengal, where the light color indicating water turns to a dark blue. This represents the beginning of the continental slope, where the ocean floor plunges hundreds of meters and, along with it, 2.4 billion tons of unused sediment that the great rivers in Bangladesh, the Ganges, the Brahmaputra and the Meghna, flush through their kilometer-wide riverbeds. Carvajal Monar has calculated that a year's worth of this sediment is enough to create 200 square kilometers (77 square miles) of new land.

"Nowadays," he says, "most of the sediment simply disappears into the deep sea." This, according to Carvajal Monar, is practically a mortal sin in a country that should have started a program long ago to use the fertile silt, mica and clay to protect its coastline, thereby protecting future generations from drowning.

It's no accident that he works for a Dutch engineering firm. The Netherlands and Bangladesh share a similar fate. Both countries are flat and much of their territory is below sea level, which constantly forces them to protect themselves against flooding. "In the Netherlands, this has long been seen as an opportunity, not a threat," says Carvajal Monar.

In fact, hydrologically speaking the Netherlands is a country that shouldn't even exist. But skillful engineering has guaranteed the Dutch a successful existence. Polders, dikes and water-retaining structures protect its territory against the sea. According to Carvajal Monar, "this is precisely what we could do in Bangladesh, but unfortunately we're moving forward far too slowly."

Aside from the morphological parallels, the Netherlands and Bangladesh have little in common. The Muslim country in the eastern corner of the Indian subcontinent, which liberated itself from Pakistan in a bloody war in the early 1970s, has been eaten up by a corrupt kleptocracy that was ousted in a military coup in January. An interim government controlled by generals rules the country today. The chaos in politics extends deep into ministries and the government bureaucracy, postponing decisions -- a great impediment to the construction of new structures to protect against flooding.

The Netherlands is already paying for a series of projects designed to protect the country's vulnerable flanks along the coast and riverbanks. A diagram outlining one of these projects is on a pinboard in Carvajal Monar's office in the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka. It is a plan that could expand the country's landmass by several square kilometers. In the Meghna delta region, through which up to 160,000 cubic meters (5.6 million cubic feet) of water flow every second, Carvajal Monar wants to connect newly formed islands with dams. The structure would force the river to deposit large amounts of sediment along its edges. "But the project has stalled," Carvajal Monar complains. "And that in a country of 150 million people where agricultural land is shrinking by one percent a year."

Things are moving forward at a faster pace in Hatia. Once they were two small islands in the Meghna delta, but then Dutch engineers came along and helped the Bangladeshis connect the northernmost of the two islands with the mainland. Now bulldozers are digging trenches to form the characteristic rectangular polder structure familiar to every tourist who has been to the Netherlands -- the difference being that in Bangladesh banana trees are planted on the dikes instead of poplars.

Zulfiquer Azeez is one of the engineers who, under the supervision of Carvajal Monar, is responsible for the construction work. He is familiar with the Netherlands' green rectangularity from a visit to the country a few years ago. "But here we would never dream of building golf courses on the newly reclaimed land," says Azeez, a 41-year-old Bangladeshi. "Almost every bit of it is used for fields."

A bulldozer is pushing the gray, sticky soil together. Only a few meters away, women from the village kneel in front of a piece of corrugated metal and turn red chili peppers to dry in the sun. The dike will soon protect the people here from spring floods and the giant waves that are regularly whipped up by cyclones. A protective bunker on stilts is as much a part of the basic equipment of the polder as its drainage ditches. "Without them," Azeez explains, "the land would become salinized."

But even the unprotected land in front of the dike is put to use as soon as it protrudes only about a foot above the water level. One of the daring is Shamsun Nahar, whose bamboo hut stands on a small earthen hill like a Third World version of the small islands in the North Friesian mud flats known as Halligen. She farms the fertile alluvial soil with her four children, and calls it "a gift from Allah." Nahar arrived here only a few months ago. Her husband works in the country's southeast, either on the docks or as a rickshaw driver. In fact, Nahar isn't exactly sure what he is currently doing, because, without a mobile phone, she has no way of staying in touch with her husband. She also lacks a radio that could warn her against cyclones.

She sends out her son to bring in the nets. Without catching fish, the family could not survive. The tide has reached the apex of the dike and water is swashing in front of her hut.

Nahar knows all too well how dangerous the vast amounts of water can be, and yet she takes the risk of living on the water's edge, hoping to become the owner of the reclaimed land. Under the unwritten laws of the nomads of the tides, the government will eventually turn over ownership of reclaimed land to the first to successfully take possession of it.

A gust of wind envelopes Nahar in a cloud of fine dust. The wind has changed direction and is now blowing from the south. The dry season, which typically lasts from November to April, is coming to an end.

Part 2: Taming Monster Rivers

A southerly wind is a sign of the coming summer monsoon, a time when Gerard Pichel's efforts will be put to a test. The Dutch engineer is trying to tame the rivers that swell into wild monsters during the monsoon.

Pichel is on his way to the Jamuna, as the Brahmaputra is called on the Bangladeshi side of the border. A hydrologist with DHV, an engineering firm from the central Dutch city of Amersfoort, Pichel, in a joint project with the Ministry of Water Resources in Dhaka, has secured the riverbank with dikes and two jetties protruding into the river at right angles. The last monsoon flood ripped off parts of the bulwark. "A similar disaster cannot be allowed to happen this time," says Pichel.

The Bangladeshis built the jetties at a right angle and not an oblique angle. As a result, the side facing the current is exposed to the full force of the water. "We made the same mistake in Holland in the past," says Pichel, shaking his head. "But one shouldn't have to make the same mistake twice."

He has already discovered annoying hydraulic engineering mistakes along the entire drive cross-country from Dhaka to the Jamuna: bridge openings that are too small, improperly dimensioned water-retaining structures. Besides, a lot of money is being spent on the wrong investments. The state-owned airline has just announced plans to spend more than $1 billion (€650 million) on new aircraft. For the same amount of money, millions of people could be saved from flooding. In fact, many things would be possible. Skillful engineers have developed ways to harness nature, with a well-placed dam, for example, forcing the river to deposit sediments along its edges. According to Pichel, the technology is "faster than any dredger and costs nothing."

But, as it happens, the dam has to be built manually. The scenarios unfolding before Pichel's eyes are reminiscent of the construction of the Pyramids. Using a wooden stretcher, sweat-drenched men drag blocks of stone from a junk, stumble across a bamboo plank from the ship to the dike, and drop the stone into the water.

For Pichel, climate change merely presents another engineering challenge. Besides, Indians, not global warming, are largely responsible for Bangladesh's acute flooding problems.

The country's much larger neighbor has built giant dams to harness its mega-rivers. As a result, the Indians are intervening in an equilibrium that is critical for Bangladesh. "The less water that flows from the north toward the sea, the farther the sea water penetrates up the rivers," says Pichel. The fatal outcome is salinization of fields in the south and lower crop yields.

Precisely the opposite happens during the monsoon period. To protect themselves against river flooding, the Indians open their locks, which causes flooding downstream in Bangladesh.

Climate change could cause additional melting of glaciers in the Himalayas, leading to even higher water levels in the rivers. "But that would be practically marginal compared with Bangladesh's current flooding problems," says Pichel.

Knowledge about the dangers of climate change hasn't yet reached the flat new strip of land in the Bay of Bengal. "I did hear the men in the city talking about something like that once," says Shamsun Nahar, the farmer on her little piece of reclaimed land in Hatia.

Nahar isn't sure which is worse: the whims of nature or those of human beings. Some time ago, some men from Dhaka showed up with false documents and a group of thugs, and drove her neighbors from their strip of land. "Who protects us?" she asks rhetorically. "No one!"

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan



 

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[vinnomot] Re: quoting out of contest

Don't be disillusional. I ran a internet radio/TV  www.fosaac.tv. Welcome to public debate. Are you ready?
You are most welcome to debate with me or any scholar. Most of the faithful Muslims I have debated with at best have a knowledge of kids. If you think I am afraid to debate with such kids, who will not even survive two-three questions before me-taste it for yourself.

Are you ready? I am accepting challenge-I can organize a live radio debate any time,

You probably don't know me well--nobody ever challenged me on public debate because they were all afraid of being exposed badly..

But I need your true identity before debating--your challenge is accepted.

Thanks
Biplab

--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae> wrote:
From: Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Subject: quoting out of contest
To: biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, actions_furysroar@yahoo.com, "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com, lalhgehi@yahoo.com, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.comSharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>, banglarnari@yahoogroups.com, vinnomot@yahoogroups.com, IHRO@yahoogroups.com, PROUD2B_INDIAN@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 2:13 AM

Would you dare to show the complete speach ? you have just abstracted the some quotes from his speach - I have seen his speach - can you pls show the complete speach ?
 
It is a quote out of contest ?  
 
do you want me to post the complete speach ?
 
I am just wondering why no one accept the challenge to have a debate or discussion with the Islamic Scholars on Islam, Christianit, Hinduism, etc
 
 
 
 
 


From: Dr Biplab Pal [mailto:biplabpal2000@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:50 AM
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Subject: Zakir Naik says all Muslims must be terrorist against enemy of Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI&amp;feature=related

So finally Cat of moderate Islam is out!  But again, I have to thank Zakir to expose right mindset of the common Muslims so that non-Muslims do not have any illusion about moderate Muslims who believe in their faith.

No doubt what Zakir is promoting is sanctioned by Quran-what we all know as Jihad. On an intellectual ground, surely every body has right to defend against the enemy.  Hindu text Gita also strongly sanctions that. But I get nervous when I hear this word day in and day out--enemy of Islam!!!

Question is: what Islam?? 1.2 B Muslims have 1.2B Islam--you will never find two persons who believe in exact same version of religion. As much as most of the Muslims and Hindus love to believe they are Muslim and Hindus-truth is--in reality they follow their own biological religion for survival. Which is good-because otherwise there will be riots after riots because by definition one has chosen to follow a religion because they think their is the right path!

  I have been deeply amazed by the fact that every person, irrespective or a Hindu or a Muslim knows very well that their first religion is the religion of survival of their family. They also know that before the instinct of survival, all of us are identical. But still they want to attach themselves with a identity of religion--- and the best identity they find by uniting against 'perceived' enemy of Islam!

Quran probably has 500 verses against Non-Muslims-mild & harsh. In that sense-all non-Muslims are enemy of Islam. Videos coming out of middle east and Europe speak for deep hatred of Muslims against non-Muslims identified as "enemy of Islam". America, India, Russia, China, Britain--all--all the countries are enemy of Islam !!  All the countries that are not part of Islamic world are enemy of Islam!

 Clearly, it is a serious crisis of identity to be identified with-because there is no rationality to be identified with a  faith when nobody follows that faith but they only follow their biological instincts to survive. But this crisis of identity is becoming a crisis of humanity.

Thanks
Biplab







--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Rashid Samnakay <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rashid Samnakay <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NUMEROLOGICAL CALCULATIONS (ABJAD) IN THE QUR'AN
To: actions_furysroar@yahoo.com, "Nooruddin Malilakath" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "kesava pillai" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, "Abdul Razack Areekkan" <abdul@alyaseah.ae>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com, lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Cc: "shine m.s." <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "Mirza Mirza" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "Yunus Sidira" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "Your Life Hereafter" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "abdulwahidosman@yahoo.comSharpabdul" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "Yousufali Valliyangal" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "Yousuf Tabish" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "yoosuf YOSUFF" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "YAYA" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "Yaacov ben Shmuel" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "avodah" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "paki paki" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "noor-e-islaam" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "Ashraf Ahmad" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "Solano Solano" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "tarot tarot" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "tarek tarek" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "rashid hafeez" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "G.Waleed Kavalec" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "Faiz Faiz" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "ABDUL RAZACK. M" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "niyas niyas" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "Kannan Kannan" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "Mubashir Inayet" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "Mohamed Sheikh" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "Ahmed Niyaz" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "zafar minhas" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "S Turkman" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "Twom Twom" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "Dann Dobson" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "Hugh Caddess" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "Lowell byrd" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "Pay_the_Piper" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "AliWalayHaqparast ever" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "cole cole" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "Foppe Dykstra" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "SANUM DILDAAR" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "Latif Latif" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "Rishi Dwivedi" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "Rasool Rasool" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "Kesav Pillai" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "bcs pakistan" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "John Perna" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "Peter John" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "Al James" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 12:02 AM

According to me and the given table bellow

George –cim=3 vav=6 re=200 and cim=3 adds up to …..212

Bush--be=2  cin=300 adds up to ……………………….302

America —elif=1 mim=40 ye=10 re200 kef=20 elif=1…...272

All this adds to ………………………………………….786 As the three vowels are not counted.

Which is what Muslims people believe equals to "bismillah….."

No wonder Bush says he is ordained by God to lead the world!! Oooopppss!

Poets of all ages have used abjad for all sorts of calculations!!

Rashid



----- Original Message ----
From: Action's Fury =Truth Speaker <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>
Subject: NUMEROLOGICAL CALCULATIONS (ABJAD) IN THE QUR'AN

NUMEROLOGICAL CALCULATIONS (ABJAD) IN THE QUR'AN

Every letter in the Arabic alphabet has a numerical (gematrical) value. In other words, in Arabic every letter stands for a number. A number of calculations can be made from this basis. These are referred to as numerological (abjad) calculations or "hisab al-jumal."239 Muslims who took advantage of the fact that every letter of the alphabet represents a number have used this in a number of fields. Ilm'ul Jafr is one of these.

Jafr is the science of foretelling what is likely to happen in the future. One of the methods employed by people who engage in this is to compare symbolic forms and letters' numerological values. The main difference between "abjad" and "jafr" methods is that the former refers to what has already taken place and the latter to what is likely to take place in the future.240

This method of calculation is a form of writing which goes back several centuries and which was widely used before the revelation of the Qur'an. Everything which happened in Arab history was written down by attributing numerical values to letters thus the date of every event was recorded. These dates were obtained by adding up the particular numerical values of every letter employed.

When certain verses of the Qur'an are examined in the light of the "abjad" method, we see that a number of dates emerge which are fully in accordance with the meanings of those verses. When we see that things referred to in these verses actually happened on the dates obtained by this method, we understand that there is a secret indication regarding those events in the verses. (Allah knows best.)

The 1969 Moon Landing is Indicated in the Qur'an

    The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split. (Qur'an, 54:1)

    The Arabic word "inshaqqa" (split) used in the above verse is derived from the word "shaqqa," which can also be used to mean "causing something to rise, ploughing or digging the soil":

    We pour down plentiful water, then split the earth into furrows. Then We make grain grow in it, and grapes and herbs and olives and dates and luxuriant gardens and orchards and meadows.
    (Qur'an, 80:25-31)

As we can see, the word "shaqqa" in the above verse is not being used in the sense of "dividing into two" but of "slicing through the soil, reaping various crops." When evaluated in this sense, the meaning of the word "shaqqa" in the expression "the moon has split" (Qur'an, 54:1) can also be seen to be referring to the 1969 moon landing and the studies performed on the moon land. (Allah knows best.) In fact, there is another very important indication here: Some of the "abjad" values of certain words in this verse in Surat al-Qamar also point to the figure 1969.

One important point which needs to be stressed in this method of calculation is the likelihood of producing very large or irrelevant numbers. Despite the probability of a relevant number emerging being exceedingly small, it is striking that such a clear figure should result.

The Hour [has drawn near] and the moon has split.

Hijri: 1390, Gregorian: 1969

In 1969, American astronauts carried out research on the Moon, dug the soil up with various pieces of equipment, split it and carried specimens back to Earth.

We must, however, make it clear that the splitting of the Moon is of course one of the miracles given to our Prophet (saas) by Allah. This miracle is revealed thus in a hadith:

The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Sahih Bukhari)

The above miracle is the splitting of the Moon revealed in the verse. However, since the Qur'an is a Book that addresses all times, one may think of this verse as referring to the exploration of the Moon in our own day. (Allah knows best.)



--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Lal Gehi <lalhgehi@yahoo.com> wrote:



<kannanivmn@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Kannan Devan <kannanivmn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Brain Dead Islamic Pygmies

Brain dead Islamic pygmies are not capable of engaging in intellectual debate, rational discussion or handling challenging tasks. Muslims are known for their verbal shouting, physical attack, sexual perversion and terrorism. Muslims suffer from arrested intellectual development and emotional disturbances.

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Action's Fury =Truth Speaker <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Action's Fury =Truth Speaker <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Muslims challenge for Intellectual debate - not accepted by Kannan and his team of abusers
To: "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com, "Abdul Razack Areekkan" <abdul@alyaseah.ae>, lalhgehi@yahoo.com
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 9:09 AM

Brother "Abdul Razack Areekkan" do u really expect a penny sense debate from

(Statue preachers, followers of a racist false god, ignorants)? Did u not c they NOT EVEN IN A FAIL ATTEMPT try to answer me. They know inside their black heart that their religion is nothing but a myth of myths and it can only amuse kids below the age 5.



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lal Gehi <lalhgehi@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lal Gehi <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Muslims challenge for Intellectual debate - not accepted by Kannan and his team of abusers
To: "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com, "Abdul Razack Areekkan" <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, "'Action's Fury =Truth Speaker'" <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 8:29 AM

Dear Areekkan Sahab,

I have already responded to one fanatic Muslim, Fury, and all have seen my communication and His illogical, response.

Please bear in mind, you can not compare " Hindu mythology ", with recorded history of Islam. !!

Mythology is a myth, which can not be explained in scientific terms. Islamic History is the recored truth of past, just 1400 years ago, compared to Hindu mythology over 7000 years old. Many ancient Hindu history books were destroyed by Muslim invaders in India, which is a historical fact, while history of Islam is new, compared to Hindu history.

Regards,  Lal  Gehi
 

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae> wrote:
From: Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Subject: Muslims challenge for Intellectual debate - not accepted by Kannan and his team of abusers
To: lalhgehi@yahoo.com, "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, "'Action's Fury =Truth Speaker'" <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 8:11 AM

You pls come to a  plat form, we will have a course of discussion on various subjects, we will get it recorded and distributed
 
then let the audience and listners are understand the truth
 
Are you ready for that
 
if not pls stop screaming
 
 
 
 


From: Lal Gehi [mailto:lalhgehi@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:42 PM
To: 'Nooruddin Malilakath'; 'kesava pillai'; kannanivmn@yahoo.com; Abdul Razack Areekkan
Cc: 'shine m.s.'; 'Mirza Mirza'; 'Yunus Sidira'; 'Your Life Hereafter'; 'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'; 'Yousufali Valliyangal'; 'Yousuf Tabish'; 'yoosuf YOSUFF'; 'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'; 'YAYA'; 'Yaacov ben Shmuel'; 'avodah'; lathika.cochin@gmail.com; nadheerahmed@gmail.com; raygee_b@yahoo.com; kkvahab@gmail.com; ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com; 'Action's Fury =Truth Speaker'; amanitafsir@gmail.com; 'paki paki'; sajetpa@yahoo.co.in; egt@widewind.net.au; latinomuslims@gmail.com; robertsolano@gmail.com; 'noor-e-islaam'; hifzul@hotmail.com; ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com; 'Ashraf Ahmad'; ashraf@bemco-ipp.com; azeeznm@gmail.com; m_m_siraj@yahoo.com; amit_love123in@yahoo.com; abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com; biplabpal2000@yahoo.com; david@yahoo.com; 'Solano Solano'; shemeerali@gmail.com; manzoorshahg@yahoo.com; habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com; brilliant005@hotmail.com; 'tarot tarot'; 'tarek tarek'; 'rashid hafeez'; marcsamberg@yahoo.com; ahmediorg@yahoo.com; 'G.Waleed Kavalec'; 'Faiz Faiz'; zaraskitchen@googlemail.com; 'ABDUL RAZACK. M'; 'niyas niyas'; 'Kannan Kannan'; 'Mubashir Inayet'; 'Mohamed Sheikh'; 'Ahmed Niyaz'; 'zafar minhas'; 'S Turkman'; 'Twom Twom'; 'Dann Dobson'; 'Hugh Caddess'; 'Lowell byrd'; 'Pay_the_Piper'; 'AliWalayHaqparast ever'; 'EVE DEMIAN'; 'cole cole'; 'Foppe Dykstra'; 'SANUM DILDAAR'; 'Latif Latif'; 'Rishi Dwivedi'; 'Rasool Rasool'; 'Rashid Samnakay'; 'Kesav Pillai'; 'bcs pakistan'; 'John Perna'; 'Peter John'; 'Al James'
Subject: RE: Muslims have been challenging Non Muslims for Centuries

You can not argue with illogical,  story telling, dreaming mind.

I have already proved to you, how illogical, and unrealistic Muslim mind is.!

They blindly believe in Mohammad, and  justify all his evil deeds , with
orders of Allah. How can you argue or reason out with such closed door, Muslim  minds. ?!

Lal

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae> wrote:
From: Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Subject: RE: Muslims have been challenging Non Muslims for Centuries
To: lalhgehi@yahoo.com, "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, kannanivmn@yahoo.com
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Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:24 AM

 
then why don't you accept the challenge ?
 
  Yes, but this absolutely an ideaological challenge, based on the religious scriputes of various religion
 
It is totally an intellectual dialogue we are inviting you for,  Are you ready to take up the challenge ? - but only intellectuals can take part -
 
pls come out of the hole, come to the public, discuss in open stage about the scriputes, vedas, upanishads, holy Qur'an, bible, etc  - we are ready
 

 


From: Lal Gehi [mailto:lalhgehi@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Nooruddin Malilakath'; 'kesava pillai'; Abdul Razack Areekkan; kannanivmn@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: Muslims have been challenging Non Muslims for Centuries

What challenge ?!

Muslims are logically impotent and bankrupt. They run into refuge of
Islamic stories, and praise of false prophet, Mohammad.  They have nothing else to say, and discuss.

Lal

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Kannan Devan <kannanivmn@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Kannan Devan <kannanivmn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Muslims have been challenging Non Muslims for Centuries
To: "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, lalhgehi@yahoo.com, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>, "Abdul Razack Areekkan" <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, "'Action's Fury =Truth Speaker'" <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:11 AM

Muslims have been challenging non Muslims for centuries with the unholy Koran in one hand and the Islamic sword in the other hand. Muslims were successful in challenging innocent kafirs and beheading them for hundreds of years. Now Muslims are facing challenges from peace loving people through guided missiles, speeding bullets, Daisy cutters, and sharp shooters. Islamic challenge through terrorism will continue for some more time.

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae> wrote:
From: Abdul Razack Areekkan <abdul@alyaseah.ae>
Subject: Holy Quran challenges
To: kannanivmn@yahoo.com, "'Nooruddin Malilakath'" <nooruddin@sspipe.com>, lalhgehi@yahoo.com, "'kesava pillai'" <kesava.pillai@gmail.com>
Cc: "'shine m.s.'" <shinesalafi@gmail.com>, "'Mirza Mirza'" <mirza.syed@gmail.com>, "'Yunus Sidira'" <yunussidira@yahoo.com>, "'Your Life Hereafter'" <lifehereafter@gmail.com>, "'abdulwahidosman@yahoo.com Sharpabdul'" <12912286-1382@sharpmail.co.uk>, "'Yousufali Valliyangal'" <yousufaliv@gmail.com>, "'Yousuf Tabish'" <yousuftabish@yahoo.com>, "'yoosuf YOSUFF'" <mohd.yoosuf@yahoo.com>, "'YOOSUFF THOTTASSERI'" <ythottasse@se.com.sa>, "'YAYA'" <minerva24@verizon.net>, "'Yaacov ben Shmuel'" <jewish_from_brooklyn_is_here@yahoo.com>, "'avodah'" <avodah15@hotmail.com>, lathika.cochin@gmail.com, nadheerahmed@gmail.com, raygee_b@yahoo.com, kkvahab@gmail.com, ahkodiyathur@hotmail.com, "'Action's Fury =Truth Speaker'" <actions_furysroar@yahoo.com>, amanitafsir@gmail.com, "'paki paki'" <kla@ashpak.com>, sajetpa@yahoo.co.in, egt@widewind.net.au, latinomuslims@gmail.com, robertsolano@gmail.com, "'noor-e-islaam'" <noor.e.islaam@gmail.com>, hifzul@hotmail.com, ashrafjeddah@hotmail.com, "'Ashraf Ahmad'" <bashirali.ashraf@googlemail.com>, ashraf@bemco-ipp.com, azeeznm@gmail.com, m_m_siraj@yahoo.com, amit_love123in@yahoo.com, abdulkareemvv@yahoo.com, biplabpal2000@yahoo.com, david@yahoo.com, "'Solano Solano'" <solanosavedmail@gmail.com>, shemeerali@gmail.com, manzoorshahg@yahoo.com, habeebuvvoxyz@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, "'tarot tarot'" <tarot66@yahoo.com>, "'tarek tarek'" <tarekfatah@rogers.com>, "'rashid hafeez'" <safnaan@hotmail.com>, marcsamberg@yahoo.com, ahmediorg@yahoo.com, "'G.Waleed Kavalec'" <kavalec@gmail.com>, "'Faiz Faiz'" <tahirakhan@comcast.net>, zaraskitchen@googlemail.com, "'ABDUL RAZACK. M'" <arazack@pbad.sbg.com.sa>, "'niyas niyas'" <niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk>, "'Kannan Kannan'" <knnandvn@yahoo.com>, "'Mubashir Inayet'" <minayet@yahoo.com>, "'Mohamed Sheikh'" <ma_sheikh@hotmail.com>, "'Ahmed Niyaz'" <niyazib@gmail.com>, "'zafar minhas'" <ztminhas@yahoo.com>, "'S Turkman'" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>, "'Twom Twom'" <TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com>, "'Dann Dobson'" <dddobson7@yahoo.com>, "'Hugh Caddess'" <hcaddess@prodigy.net>, "'Lowell byrd'" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>, "'Pay_the_Piper'" <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca>, "'AliWalayHaqparast ever'" <aliwalayhaqparast@yahoo.com>, "'EVE DEMIAN'" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "'cole cole'" <wvcole@gmail.com>, "'Foppe Dykstra'" <foppe.dykstra@yahoo.com>, "'SANUM DILDAAR'" <sanum303@yahoo.com>, "'Latif Latif'" <pabdullatif@gmail.com>, "'Rishi Dwivedi'" <rishidwivedi1@gmail.com>, "'Rasool Rasool'" <rasoolsucks@gmail.com>, "'Rashid Samnakay'" <rashid_samnakay@yahoo.com>, "'Kesav Pillai'" <kesavapillai@gmail.com>, "'bcs pakistan'" <bcspakistan@gmail.com>, "'John Perna'" <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>, "'Peter John'" <way4salvation@yahoo.com>, "'Al James'" <alexjames999@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:56 AM




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