[vinnomot] Re: [notun_bangladesh] Rahul Gandhi & Mr. Salahuddin Ayubi do not"Think alike"

Dear Kamal Bhai,

This is the way of thinking of pro indians in Bangladesh

"Md. Mostafa Kamal" <mmk3k@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Salahuddin,

Thank you sir.

Infact Rahul Gandhi's comment "Our family has broken the Pakistan" articulates that India was not sincere with Bangladesh's independence. R. Gandhi's truth speech is a very strong slap on the faces of Syed Aslam, BALists & all other pro-Indians in Bangladesh. It seems or Syed Aslam pretends that he knows more about Mrs. Indira Gandhi than her grandson Rahul Gandhi. Either Syed Aslam is a Stupid or a cunning person. But all the BAList, pro-Indians attempt will be futile to prove R. Gandhis speech as a wrong or lie to majority people of Bangladesh. Now most of the Bangladesh people knows that India is a selfish & acts as stepmom with our country. Still they haven't supplied fully 5 lakh tons of rice as per commitment after the Sidr cyclone disaster Nov'2007. This is the fact of Evil India.

Thank You All,

Md. Mostafa Kamal.

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Rahul Gandhi & Mr. Salahuddin Ayubi "Think alike"
To: notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 3:48 AM

Mr. Aslam,

               Whether you like it or not but the fact is Mr. Rahul Gandhi was telling the truth and he correctly agreed with me. If you have any proof that Mr. Gandhi was lying then please come out with it. i have not seen any protest from the cheonadhari BAL on trhe cmment of Mr. Gandhi.

                  Ayubi

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Rahul Gandhi & Mr. Salahuddin Ayubi "Think alike"
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:18 AM

Rahul Gandhi & Mr. Salahuddin. Ayubi "Think alike"

Your appreciation for Rahul Gandhi is understandable.

It is not an isolated event. I am sure, it puts you in a comfort zone.

Now you can live happily everafter. Thanks to Almighty Allah, at last

you have broken the taboo..... You deserve an additional encomium -

"Johuri Johor Chene".

FYI, Ruhul Gandhi was bragging with  " belligerent jingoistic

nationalism" for his narrow political gains ......I don't I have to elaborate

more ....   Akelmond ke liye ishara kafi hai ....

Thanks

Best Regards

Syed Aslam

On 7/14/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. aslam,

               Great men think alike . I am pleased to know that mr gandhi thinnks like me correctly.

              Ayubi

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Re:Mr. Ayubi praises "bold and courageous leadership of Mrs. Gandhi"
To: notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 8:55 AM

wrt: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/notun_ bangladesh/ message/15064

Mr. Salahuddin Ayubi

I have highlighted the "cause and effect relationship" behind

the "fourteen day Indo Pak war" with relevent facts and

logical analysis: Neither you nor the Indira's grandson should

take things too personally.

"In early 2007 Rajiv Gandhi, has solely credited his grandmother

Indira for the division of Pakistan in 1971, which led to the independence

of Bangladesh. Your statement "Without the bold and courageous

leadership of Mrs. Gandhi Bangladesh would never have seen the

face of the dawn that we talk about today" [in message # 15007]

has the same suggestive connotation.

We have to look at the sequence of events in the proper perspective. ...

My points are not out of context or empty rethorics, Indira Gandhi

will have her proper place in history ......but that should not be

blown out of propportion and her "bold leadership" should not

be dubbed as the root cause in India's decisions in 1971

or Bangladesh's comming into existance.

Thanks

Syed Aslam

On 7/14/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

               Your rhetoric and finger of accusation at me will not change history or deny Indira Gandhi her rightfull place in history. I am no admirer of Indira or India that by now should be well known to the members of the forum, but I want to deal with facts. Please keep your rhetorics aside and come forward with logic,facts and figures to prove me wrong. Which of my statement was wrong?

                 Salahuddin Ayubi

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 5:35 PM

wrt: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/notun_ bangladesh/ message/15051

Mr. Salah U. Ayubi

What you are preaching is partly what Gandhi-family [Indira's Grandson] claims

and partly what Paki-dalals say. You have totally missed the geopolitical situation

that was prevailing at that time [1971]. :The USA's "seventh fleet vow" was a show

on the top of other empty rethorics by Nixon-Kissinger to give some comfort to

America's bootlickers in the Pakistani ruling Junta, The Bangladeshi community in

USA and UK and the citizens of those countries also played a major role in

isolating the Nixon adminatration to stand by it's beloved Pakistan.

Your splattering of sychophantic adjectives in the praise of Indira Gahdhi:

[ "bold and courageous leadership of Mrs. Gandhi"] speially noteworthy.,

Considering the prevailing geopolitical situation and internal situations in India

and occupied Bangladesh any one in Indian PM's chair would have to take identical

decision.

You have been distorting the history to prove your point. Both Mujib and Zia had the

calls for resistance [ Tomader ja kitchu ache tai niya prostut thako ........etc]

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=8JY2sPiiZuY

You said "Results of guerrilla warfare can be seen only after long and protracted war."

You basically trying to compartmentalize your own delusional version of the guerrilla

warfare ,,,,, there is no "straight jacket" formula for "Guerrilla Warfare" ... the

nature of the "Guerrilla Warfare" depends on the objective condition, ground reality

and support of the mass people.

In any case we won the independence of Bangladesh with the support of 99.9% of the

people of Bangladesh. The world public opinion was also overwhemingly for

in our favor.[ except less than .1 % of Bangladesh people were collaborators and

traitors that included Jamaat, Albodor etc]

Achieving national independence from a occupation regime with a mask of

"proponent of Islam and national integration" is a very difficult and complex task ,

a path that could not have been pre-determined" . This a zigzak path of history that

nations follow in its unique way .....Historically speking, Mujib's role [mess in your word]

was only a menifestation of the zigzak path that Bangladesh followed.

To conclude, I will quote a natural science analogy that says

"One must have choas to give birth to a dancing star".... Mujib created a

mess [ Chaos ], we the people of Bangladesh got our Dancing Star [Independent

Bangladesh] out of that ......

Syed Aslam

PS:(1) Chaos Theory in physics - Stars are born out of Chaos [Milky way]

      (2) You say "Paki Hayenas .... but bear in mind that all Pakistanis are not Hayenas .....

the people there, like people everywhere else are good ... The Ruling Junta of Pakistan l

et loose a sequence of events in the name of Islam that gave birth to those "Paki Hayenas" ---

It is a phenomenon that need to be clearly understood, else the history will repeat from

within us.[Bangladesh' s Sleeping Frankenstein !!!!]



On 7/13/08, Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo. com> wrote:

Mr. Aslam,

              You can not fart against thunder and still be be heard. What I said is historical fact, that no one can change or deny now, without any emotion blended with it.. Without Mrs. Gandhi's able leadership during the Indo Pak war, that was opposed by USA who even brought their seventh fleet to the Bay in support of tghe Pakis, there would be no bangladesh. Anyone who denies this is denier of history.. Do you in your right frame of mind, really mean to say that we on our own could liberte the country in mere nine monthss? Results of guerrilla warfare can be seen only after long and protracted war. If we had t o do the job on our own then it would have taken us at least seven years. Was BAL leaders sitting in Calcutta prepared to wait that long? Could India afford to feed over a crore refugees for seven years?

             Now the question that can be raised is this that, did we ask India for any help? At least Mujib did not ask for any help nor did he designate anyone to seek Indias help. He created the mess and then left us in front of Paki Hayenas and himself got safe sanctuary in the Hayena's den.. More controversies, isn't it? Prove me wrong if you think that my assessment is wrong. . Mr. Aslam , when you live in a glass house you do not throw stne at others.   The contribution of our freedom fighters!!!! !!   No one approaced them to to join the liberation war and they were not expected to join the liberation war by the political leadership. It was not BAL but the patriotic people of bangladesh who volunteered to fight for the freedom of the country. The political leadership during the liberatin war was imposed on the freedom fighters by Mrs. Gandhi. Our freedom fighters were mere pawns in th3e main chessboard of the Indo Pak war.

                   Salahuddin Ayubi

--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@ gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Ayubi praises "bold and courageous leadership of Mrs. Gandhi"

WRT:

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/notun_ bangladesh/ message/15007

Mr. Ayubi

It is a shame that now you are praising the "bold and courageous leadership of Mrs. Gandh.",

instead of appreciating the courage and valor of the people of

Bangladesh who faught against the Pakistan's occupation Army, its

collaborators and the vicious local traitors [Jamaate Islami, Albodor, Al-shams

and other paramilitary gestapos]

You have failed to understand the prevailing geopolitical situation that accelarated the

emergence of Independent People's Republic of Bangladesh.

Pakistan Army's defeat in fourteen day Indo Pak war and General Niazi's surrender

has only shortened the process of Bangladeshi people's victory in 1971,

Your comment "Bangladesh would never have seen the face of the dawn" only proves

a lack of understanding of the historical processes and role of the masses in changing

their destiny. Pakistan's occupation army might have looked powerful to you at the first

sight but deep inside it's feet were made of clay.. Through  a  long-term protacted

guerrilla warfare, the people of Bangladesh would have defeated Pakistan Army ...

and that defeat would have been more humilating for the Izlamic Refublic of Fakistan.

Many thanks to Allah the Almighty, "Mujib was a street agitator". If he was a part of the

palace cliques of his time, we would have seen a different history.

Syed Aslam