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The great autocrat of Germany Hitler was
democratically elected Chancellor of Germany. So is
Herr. Bush(Chenny). At times democracy can be very
much worse that the worst autocrat. So democracy is no
solution to any problem.
Salahuddin Ayubi> _http://MikeGhousefo
--- MIKEGHOUSE@aol.com wrote:
> It is an interesting difference between the
> Jefforsonian and Hamiltonian
> idea of democracy. We have to study how George Bush
> and his likes made it? How
> did our nation went from a great democracy to
> almost a fascist system, thank
> God, November 2006 elections changed it.
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> The rise of fascism in democracies was a
> simaltaneous happening; Did Bush
> (really Cheney) gave the virus to Blair, Sharon and
> Vajpayee (Really Advani)?
> The fall has been in the reverse order and we have
> the last one to go this
> fall. I pray to dear God, McCain does not make it,
> even if he were, he may not
> have the partners around the globe to buy his
> destructive ideas.
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> How can President Bush and McCain not get it? The
> President keeps parrotting
> Al-Qaeda and Iraq, 9/11 and Iraq, WMD... he just
> does not get in his head,
> but keeps repeating it, the journalist don't stop
> him either. McCain had to be
> corrected on AlQaeda to Extremists, he wants to bomb
> when Iran had stopped
> the nuclear program several years ago. Is there a
> way to clean their heads?
> Both of them get elected only by frightening us, and
> the solutions they offer
> are even more frightening.
>
> Mike GhouserAmerica. blogspot. com_
> (http://MikeGhouseforAmerica. )blogspot. com
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> In a message dated 3/26/2008 11:45:10 P.M. Central
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> from the March 25, 2008 edition -
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/ 0325/p09s01- coop.html
> Is democracy a natural state of mankind?
> Maybe Alexander Hamilton, not Thomas Jefferson, was
> right after all.
> By Tim Hackler
>
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> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> Sixteen years ago in this newspaper, I tried to
> answer a perennial question
> about American politics. Does the United States look
> more like the country
> predicted by Thomas Jefferson, or by his rival,
> Alexander Hamilton?
> Jefferson asserted that ordinary people with
> sufficient education and virtue
> can govern themselves wisely, that liberty is the
> natural desire of all
> mankind, and that the world's monarchs and dictators
> will ultimately be
> overthrown. Hamilton, on the other hand, claimed
> Jefferson's view was folly, based on
> wishful thinking, because human nature itself
> precludes the kind of wisdom
> necessary for self-government.
>
> In short, Jefferson speaks to our hopes; Hamilton
> speaks to our fears.
> Back in 1992, I concluded that America, and the
> world, reflected features of
> both men's views – their great philosophical fight
> lay unresolved. Today,
> Hamilton clearly has the upper hand.
>
> Before the Constitutional Convention met in 1787,
> Hamilton observed the
> activities of a few state legislatures and
> concluded: "The inquiry [of
> legislators] constantly is what will please, not
> what will benefit the people." But he
> went a step further: It's the people themselves, not
> the legislators, who are
> to blame. The people, he said, "murmur at taxes,
> clamor at their rulers" but
> then elect demagogues who appeal to our worst
> instincts.
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> Over the years, Jefferson became less optimistic
> about the wisdom of the
> people, but in the last letter of his long life, he
> summed up his life's vision:
> "All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of
> man." He hoped America's
> experiment with democracy would be "the signal of
> arousing men to burst the
> chains under which monkish ignorance and
> superstition has persuaded them to
> bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and
> security of self-government."
>
> In 1992, it was still possible to believe
> Jefferson's prediction could one
> day come true. Many among us thought that the
> "blessings of freedom and
> democracy" might ultimately reach all areas of the
> globe.
>
> But 16 years later, can we still believe this? I
> think most of us have moved
> at least slightly toward Hamilton's darker view of
> human nature. Can we
> still believe, for example, that Jeffersonian
> democracy will one day arrive and
> then survive throughout Africa and the Middle East?
> The painful failures of
> the Iraq war have sowed substantial doubts:
> "Looking back, I felt secure in the
> knowledge that all who yearn for freedom, once
> free, would use it well,"
> wrote Danielle Pletka in The New York Times
> recently. "I was wrong. There is no
> freedom gene...."
>
> History suggests that culture, not genetics,
> determines fitness for
> democracy. And history suggests we can pinpoint what
> kind of culture is required – a
> culture of the Enlightenment.
>
> We in the West take the Enlightenment for granted.
> But it took centuries of
> brave, stubborn people, beginning in the 16th
> century, to push back against
> the ignorance and superstition in which all mankind
> had lived, to bring forth
> in isolated centers of learning a world based on
> reason and logic.
>
> Here is a thought experiment to put things in
> perspective. Imagine a map of
> the world in 1800. Color in all the countries that
> took part in or were
> directly influenced by the Enlightenment (let us
> say, England, Ireland, Scotland,
> France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia,
> Slovenia, Belgium,
> Luxembourg, Switzerland, Greece, Spain, Portugal,
> Italy, the Netherlands,
> the US, Canada, and the Scandinavian countries).
>
> Now jump forward two centuries and color in all the
> countries with working
> democracies (as defined by the Economist
> Intelligence Unit). It is virtually
> the same map. Every one of those 22 nations (or
> their derivatives) today has a
> working democracy. And how many countries have a
> fully functional democracy
> but were not among, or did not spring from, those
> 22 countries? Just one –
> Japan.
>
> What does this tell us about the Jefferson versus
> Hamilton question? In a
> Hamiltonian world, democracy will always be a
> precious
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