Mr.Asghar wrote: Allah has said that He has created seven skies, one above another, in which are located all the seven Gardens (Jannat) and Hell as well My response: The above statement befuddles me, and so I take time to inform the "master manipulator" Mr. Asghar of a rule known to all of Quranic discussion: Proof is the burden of the claimant. I know, he will spin, twist or distort my statement, so let me rephrase my question. I ask this narcissistic psychopath to clarify by providing us with the exact/ specific verse where he derived the above quote from Quran. You see, What some of these pathological liars do is, throw a lot of truth in too, so if you check out a few things, and find it is true, then you think, well, everything is true. That's exactly what this narcissistic psychopath is hoping for. It is hard for me to imagine the amount of lying, the deceptions, the spin, the manipulation that went on. Since this psychopath do this all the time and seldom tell the truth and with many years of practice, he become very convincing liar. While he provides us with the proof,let us find out the truth from the fiction by examining of what he wrote: 1) The portion of the truth is: "(67:3) He Who created the seven skies one above another", 2) The fictional part is his own twist/spin: "in which are located all the seven Gardens (Jannat) and Hell as well", and 3) The mockery part is: "Allah has said"[24:35 And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things.] By combining/joining these three different sentences, he come up with the above statement without realizing that eventually, the truth will come out, because this psychopath gets tangled up in his own webs of deceit. Initially, We were discussing the verse (65:12) in which "Allah is He who created seven firmaments(sama) and of the earth a similar numbers". The word "firmament" denotes an expanse over out heads, in which are placed the atmosphere and the clouds, and in which the stars appear to be placed. For example, God said that Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters[implies layers between sweet water and salty water]. Mr.Asghar wrote: The Prophet himself saw them with his own eyes, when he visited all the skies during his nocturnal journey from Mecca to meet Allah in the seventh sky. My response: It was believed by many cultures, and still is by some today, that when people die, their souls float into the sky, visiting each of the Seven "Heavenly Objects"[planets] as they travel to the outermost layer of heaven[by implication, layers of sky]. When they reach that outermost layer, they are believed to actually meet God, who was/is supposed to exist just above the last layer of heaven, just above the orbit of the planet we currently call Saturn. Jibraa'eel took Prophet Mohammad until they reached Sidrat AL-Muntaha[by implication, above the 7Th sky], which was covered with colors[by implication, Allah - One of the Allah's attribute is that Allah is above the above the nature], I do not know what they are. Then I entered Paradise[by implication, the earth or planets] and saw that its domes were pearls and its soil was musk. Mr.Asghar wrote: Nowhere has Allah said or inferred that the seven skies are seven merely [layers]. My response: One of Mr. Asghar's secrets of success is his unique way of insinuating transparent lies when there is no need to. Tell us why you spreading all these lies? The word "firmament" means layers as in the Surat Al-Mulk 67:3 Allah who created the seven heavens in layers. And in Bible Gen.i.6 God said that Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters[implies layers between sweet water and salty water]. Mr.Asghar wrote: By saying that what Allah called the skies are, in fact, layers, Mr. Alam has debunked Allah for not being able to clearly describe what He Himself has created! My response: The enemy with a thousand faces only can ridicule himself, without abiding a strict examination of the word "firmaments" instead he has come to his wits' end. Oh, tell me, The master manipulator, what kind of thing is debunked, you who master art of it? Mr.Asghar wrote: The fact that the skies are solid things is discernible from verse 34:9, which reads as follows: My response: If I follow Mr. Asghar's logic then the skies would appear as if "made out of water" or "made out of iron" and it is discernible from the verse 15:22 and 57:25 which reads as follows: The verse 15:22 And we send winds fecundating the clouds, then we send down water from the sky(heaven). The verse 57:25 And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind. Mr.Asghar wrote: How could Allah cause a piece of sky to fall, if it is not a solid thing? My response: The word Sky by implication can be space as well as sky's all objects such as other planets, stars, moon, sun and asteroids etc,etc. Why can it not be an asteroid, a meteor or a rock since irons were sent down from the sky and rain as well. Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur'an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed. Please find below these two videos may open your mind's eye as to how planet were created as described in the Quran verse 57:25, 41:09-12. http://www.answerin http://www.answerin Mr.Asghar wrote: Mr. Alam has misunderstood verse 41:11, for it says that the sky was once smoke and Allah ordered it to come together willingly or unwillingly into what He wanted it to be. The smoke became solid and turned itself into seven skies, saying: [We do come (together) in willing obedience.] My response: "The smoke became solid and turned itself into seven skies" is not the part of the verse 41:11-12.By telling the lies and omissions of the truth makes the game more interesting for him but leaves others in a state of confusion. Even if you point out to this pathological liar with proof, he can't understand the lies in his own thinking and don't care because he is emotionally sadist. BTW the following are the two exact verses: 41:11 Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it was a smoke(vapor/ Mr.Asghar wrote: This means that the smoke not only became solid skies, it also spoke to Allah in a clear language through a vocal cord it grew within its mouth! My response: How can you tell a pathological liar that his jokes are not funny at all? I can no more kill it off by logic than I can kill off obstinacy or jokes. I have to dogmatize whenever pathological liar lies about anything because it is a permanent torpor[as of a hibernating animal] of will. Mr. Asghar wrote: If it does not matter to Mr. Alam whether the skies are solid or not, then why did he bother to write long responses to my question? Response: One can have a different take on or a different point of view of any verse of Quran, but in my view, the verse 65:12, 41:11-12, 15:22 and 57:25 does not talk about skies are solid. Mr. Asghar's Narcissistism, skepticism, pathological lies, deceptions, spins, manipulations and did I mention lies, may live and die without knowing the difference between the layers of skies and the layers of earth, between the formation of planet earth and the formation of skies, between iron was sent down from the sky and send down water[rain] from the sky. But Mr. Asghar who can distinguish between solid skies and it spoke to Allah is the exception. Mr. Asghar wrote:Does he enjoy wasting others' time by resorting to inane talks and useless discussions? My response: As long as this psychopath will try to mislead public by misrepresenting the Quranic verse, I will enjoy wasting psychopath's time by providing my interpretation and it would be reader's opinion to decide whether or not, it would be inane talks or useless discussions. |
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